Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another COVID humanity betrayal memory project space. Please give us a few minutes to get situated, and we will get started. Hi, CC. Glad you could join us. I sent you a cohost invite. Speaker 2: Hello. Speaker 1: How are you doing? Speaker 2: Fine. Just busy. Just got done doing a crazy interview. Just the stories just get more horrific every time. Speaker 1: I know it. It's just it never it never ceases to be shocking and horrifying no matter how many times we hear it. Speaker 2: Yep. Just unbelievable. They the hospital broke every possible rule and that's a violation that you can possibly think of. It's just so frustrating. Speaker 1: Yep. That they're still doing this is just so frustrating. Speaker 2: Yeah. This was a 2022 2022 murder. So, yeah, it's hadn't even been that long, and it's just unbelievable. Speaker 3: Hey. I didn't mean to be rude. Sorry, guys. I had my volume down when you got your greeting to me. Good evening, everybody. Speaker 1: No worries, Dwayne. We're glad glad you could come on. How are you doing? Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I'm I'm hanging in there. I mean, I sought my first grief group last week, after my father passed. You know, it kinda triggered triggered Fanny again. And, you know, even though we knew he was he was he was failing, it still triggered me back into, you know, remembering Fanny and, you know, the stuff that trying to put behind you, you know, still it comes back. You know? So my doctor says I need counseling. Well, I haven't this is three months out on a counselor. So I thought, well, hospice offers a grief group here in Homer. And so I went to that last week for the first time. They've been trying to push me into it, because they helped my father when he was with us for, when we were taking care of my father before he went into the long term care. So, you know, they've been really good in the community here. I don't know where they how they are everywhere else, but you know guys had to look into that if anybody needs a a grief support besides, you know, online whatever actual people that you can talk to, you know, that, you know, look up your local hospice. Speaker 1: Yeah. That's really good information. I don't think many people would would even think about that. But, if the if there are resources there that might be helpful, then, that's definitely something people should check into. Speaker 3: Yep. They hospice has all sorts of resources. They you know, at least here they do. I don't know where they are in everybody else's community, but, yeah, I'd I'd at least look into it because there's a there's a lot of stuff that they provide for, you know, booklets that you can read through, you know, different different options for different things, and they may have a program available that you can go to and then, you know, it's it's free. You know? It's not like, you know, counseling got you an arm and leg. Speaker 2: Don't forget, if you wanna do it online, we've got support groups. We have 15 now, seven days a week. Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. That's yeah. I've been able to attend this one, but the rest of them, I, you know, I I just think I either don't know about them because I don't get a Facebook notification, and I don't I'm not a mail checker. I don't I don't check my email like I should. So, so, like, you know, a lot of times I don't know about them until it's too late or I found out about it already. I'll email you the schedule because we have a we have a schedule out now. So Okay. Okay. Not by the way. Alright. So and it's is it is that like a a a it's not a Facebook Speaker 2: application to talk. It's something else. No. Chelsea, is there a way we can put that schedule up? Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm gonna get the link, and I'll put it in the chat. Speaker 3: Yeah. I'd I'd appreciate it. You know? I but, you know, it it really did me some good to go to see people face to face and talk to people face to face and actually see their see their emotions. You know? I don't know. Online is is is great, but, you know, it's, you know, you you I don't know. There's more, I guess, you might say. Mhmm. Speaker 4: You know? Speaker 1: Right. Sometimes the value of sitting down with with someone face to face and being able to look them in the eye can be helpful when you wanna tell tell the story about what happened to you. Speaker 3: Absolutely. And it did. I mean, you know, it did some good for me last week. It was my first one and, you know, I probably knew of, I don't know, three or four of them there because, you know, I used to change their tires and and do their oil changes and, you know, took care of them that direction, you know, so and they lost. And it to be honest with you, there were six men and two women at this meeting. And that that kinda struck me as a that kinda struck me as odd, you know, because, you know, people are opening up at the local level. You know, they they don't want they don't wanna be harassed by online, you know, having to take you know, there a lot of them are elderly or, you know, in their fifties and sixties, and they don't wanna do that kind of stuff. You know? Yeah. Is it that again? Mhmm. Yeah. Well, you know, I I'm gonna be there to kinda point out that, you you know, they didn't just die of COVID or they didn't die of COVID. You know? COVID made a sentiment to a tailspin, but the hospital killed them. You know? And you don't wanna be abrasive either, you know, especially in a group like that that, you know, everybody's grieving. You know? But you have a pissed off grieving widow here, you know, or widower here. And, you know, I I wanna get out to more people in the community because there's a lot of people in the community that lost to the same thing that Fannie Loug would died of. What's the population of Homer or Alaska? In the in Homer and the surrounding areas, it's about 10,000 people. Speaker 2: Oh, that's bigger than I thought. Speaker 3: And I and I know about 5,000 of them. It's like, you know, dealing with the public for eleven years and you know? Speaker 2: So what's the temp what's the temperature there right now? Speaker 3: Here. Hang on a second. It's it's 22 degrees. Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I'm sitting here in shorts. Speaker 3: That's crazy. It's it it snowed and blowed last night, and I'm I'm not kidding you. There's a, three foot drift across the the apartment complex for mine in the neighbors. And they have the our our local our our landlord has not taken care of the sidewalks and this that and the other since it started snowing. So I'm gonna have to start bitching about that because I I got out and I I swept our side off and as good as I could, but it's, you know, it was it was 20 degrees this morning and blowing about fifteen, twenty miles an hour. So, you know, it's it's it's it's not for the weak of heart. I'll tell you. Speaker 2: I could never live there. Oh my gosh. I put on, like, air air muffs when it's, like, 50 degrees outside. Speaker 3: Well, you know, I have a I have a neighbor upstairs. Black guy, it is it is it is mom. She works for the hospital, and I think he does DoorDash or something. Anyways, I picked her up off of the off of the sidewalk the other day because it was like a Zamboni Rink and nobody had taken care of it yet. And, you know, as an owner of a 16 plex complex, you know, you figure you'd wanna take care of their property. Somebody's gonna trip and fall and break their neck. You know? Speaker 2: So For sure. Speaker 3: But, anyways, you know, that's just the struggles of Alaska. You know? We're all used to it. But the guy upstairs, he's him and his mom are from Dallas, Texas, and he hates it here. But he's here because he's here because she's here. And, you know, she's I don't know if she's a traveling nurse or a traveling assistant or whatever whatever the heck she is. But, yeah, I had to pick her cell phone up or purse up everything up. She was just not having a good morning. Speaker 2: Well, glad you joined us again tonight. Is is Andy or Gail coming? Do you know Chels? Speaker 1: Gail won't be joining us tonight. I think Andy is still, busy doing doing things on location, but but we'll see. He might drop in. Speaker 2: I just sent out, I'm Slacking today. I just sent out the invites to everybody, but I had a pretty good response. So I think people are just gonna be getting on a little bit later. Who's gonna do our our rules? He does a good job with that. The rules of the space. Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, basically, just, be polite. Don't, don't interrupt. Give people a chance to say what they they wanna say. We're happy to engage in constructive debate, but we aren't gonna tolerate trolls, especially when toll trolls are attacking victims who have come here to tell their stories. And, generally, just be respectful. And if you wanna talk, raise your hand or just hit the mic. Speaker 2: Oh, good. I see Nooni's on. She's like the space queen. How are you doing? She is awesome. I know. Speaker 7: Hi. How are you doing? I'm always promoting your organization. I hope more people get involved with it. I I really see the value in it, and it's, interesting to to come in here, but not only that, it's also heartbreaking to listen to some of the stories, but, it really drives home why we all do this. And, you know, there's no one coming to save us. We gotta do it ourselves, and that's what I really like about your organization. Speaker 2: Yeah. That is true. I just got off an interview with a, victim whose husband healthy, young husband. He was, mid sixties, I believe. But they were moving, so he was carrying boxes up and down hills. I mean, clearly not somebody, on the store. And they pretty much did every single thing wrong. He walked in on his own two feet. They were laughing in the in the, waiting room, which there was not a single soul in the hospital or in the ER. And, they made her leave, and then they put him in a supply closet. I'm like, what? They did what? Yep. Because they didn't want anybody else to get COVID. So they put him in a bed in a supply closet as and then transferred him to another hospital where they said his oxygen was 30. Well, nobody walks in laughing and talking with an o two set of 30. I mean, that was just a big lie. Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. The happy hypoxia was, in in some cases, was a a baffling event that I've heard I've heard from doctors that they've had they had patients sitting there talking and laughing at 2%. Speaker 2: Really? Yeah. Yeah. He wasn't even having a hard time breathing. He'd already had, COVID for ten days before he goes to the hospital, and he and he they were he's just really real fatigued and had a little bit of a cough, but he wasn't having a hard time breathing or anything. And, he just wanted to get some antibiotics and stuff. Well, the next thing you know and they both had told the doctors no remdesivir. Guess what he gets? Remdesivir. They both tell them no ventilator. Guess what happens in the middle of the night? Ventilator. So then he gets off the ventilator. He's fine. He's, they're talking about moving him to a, you know, rehab to gain the strength back or whatever. And that night, nineteen days later, he has the cardiac arrest supposedly. But the man wasn't fed for nineteen days. He lost 60 pounds in nineteen days. When his wife they tore his trachea when they were ventilating him because he was trying to pull it out because he didn't want it. And so when his wife brought in a piece of paper for him to communicate with her because he couldn't talk because of the torn trachea, The first thing he wrote was water. He had been given no water. I mean, can you I mean, this is just torture. And then the nurses proceed to yell at the wife for calling too much saying she was selfish, that she was taking up too much of their time. Just I mean, it it's fraud. It was neglect. It was elder abuse. It was medical malpractice. I mean, every single thing, it was false claims. I mean, every single thing that they could have done wrong, they they would let her take her phone in. It's just the story was unbelievable because he was I mean, he was ready to go. He didn't even want the ventilator. He was trying to pull it out and saying, I know I don't want it. No. I don't want it. And they just shoved it down Speaker 1: and ripped his throat. So, she said it was absolutely torture. And and, you Speaker 2: know, absolutely torture. And and, you know, we've heard these stories over and over again, but it they're still just, like, shocking that, you know, some poor person has to write water on a piece of paper to get something to drink, not, you know, in danger of aspirating because he just got off the ventilator. So it's just another frustrating, unbelievable, torturous story. And, you know, of course, she asked for the ivermectin, and they said, no. It wasn't protocol. And then right in front of the patient, he said he gets remdesivir or he dies. I mean, what what what are you supposed to say in that situation when these doctors my gosh. They didn't record that, did they? They wouldn't let her have her phone in. It might be in the records. I'm not sure. I didn't ask her, but she you know, I had her tell me the story on the phone, and then I was like, this is insane. Let's get this on the on, the podcast. So Brad and I got on, and they I mean, they just broke every rule, everything. Oh, they said she said no fentanyl. Guess what? They give her give him fentanyl. But the thing is, she he'd already been sick for ten days before they even started remdesivir, so it it was pointless anyway. And that his urine output looked like complete black coffee. When he didn't oh, and he they left the BiPAP on his face so long that it grew into his nose. They had to, like, surgically remove it because they never moved it. The stories are just I I mean, I feel like I'm listening and watching a horror movie that this is is this really happening in America? And it really is. Speaker 1: It really is. Speaker 2: It's so horrific. Speaker 1: Yep. Speaker 2: I mean, all you have to do is lift up the mask once in a while, adjust it, put some cotton right there, you know, on the bridge of your nose. It was embedded in his skin. Speaker 8: Hey, Cece. This is John. Yeah. Hey, John. Jumped in. Are you talking to somebody from Minnesota? Speaker 2: No. It's, Speaker 8: Ohio. Oh. That happened in Minnesota too? Well, I'm actually looking at a picture of the medical file right now with the description of what you just said. That's why I'm breaking into the conversation right now. I have 4,000 pages in front of me from the hospital. So the same thing happened with the nose and, everything you just described. I'm looking at the same thing. It's a different person, though. Speaker 9: Wow. Speaker 1: Is is is is that person still alive, John? Because we would love them to submit their story at CHBMP. Speaker 8: No. They're not. Speaker 1: Do they have a surviving Speaker 8: family member that might put it in? That that's how I get the 4,000 pages. It'll, I have to talk to her again. Before I before I finalize the CDC memorandum, I will talk to her to make sure everything's cool with with the write up that I'm doing right now. I I think he probably I don't know. I just can't use the name right now. Otherwise, we could figure it out. But I I I'll bet she already has contacted you guys. That would be my bet. Speaker 1: It is it is just so amazing that the the commonalities between these stories, like, what just happened what Cece just described happened to this this victim shouldn't happen to anyone ever, still yet be happening to different victims across states. Speaker 2: And, you know, I at the end of the the, recording, because I was recording it on the podcast, I read her the 20, excuse me, the 25 commonalities, and she had 23 of the 25. And I'm like, this is horrific. I mean, we gotta figure something out quick because this was just in 2022. And we know that it's still happening in 2023 because we've got stories documented from 2023. But gave him remdesivir said not to, did it anyway. Give him fentanyl when they said not to. Put him on a vent when both of them said not to. And then they put him on they take him off the fentanyl, put him on Presidex for ten days. Well, Presadex, as we all know, we're only supposed to use for a couple of days. And he wasn't even in pain or needed to go on a vent, and they said his oxygen was in the eighties. Well, you know, I know people that that stayed at home and had oxygen in the seventies for a couple days, and they were fine. But, it was just the rush to get on the ventilator, and and he they did not start sedating him until they wanted to vent him. So, you see, could you give me that list of 25, please? Can you email that to me? Yep. Yep. Yep. And I'm posting it to the to the chat under the space, and I'll pin it into the next. It is chbmp.org/commonalities. Yeah. And we've been I've been sending that list to when I submit a case to attorneys, I always attach that list so that they can see this is not an isolated incident. This is based off, what, 800 to a thousand of our testimonies that all of these things pretty much. I mean, everybody has at least, I'd say, 16 to if not all of them. Speaker 8: Who Yep. Who who wrote the list of 25? Was it a group effort? Speaker 2: Yeah. What what we did is, Tracy Byrd one time, she's, with our organization. She's a Maryland state chair. She kept hearing me because I was doing all the interviews in the beginning. She kept hearing me say, god. I heard this again. I heard this again. Can you believe they're doing this again? And so we had a leadership summit, and all the interviewers got a piece of paper, and we wrote down the things that we hear the most in our interviews. And we got together, we combined all the lists, and we all had the same stuff. So we we started looking at the rest of our, our interviews, and sure enough, like, Chelsea can vouch for this. Almost everybody has every one of them, and I think it's interesting. I'll I'll read them real quick, for other people to to hear. Speaker 8: And it's on our website now. It's kinda become a popular copy of this. I got it, Cece. I, what I'm gonna do is, I didn't wanna change the CDC memorandum, but I'm gonna add this to it with a link, to your site. Speaker 2: Yeah. Do it. I think other people might wanna do you have it handy? I don't even know where I step on Chelsea. I just had it in my hand. Yeah. I just pasted it in the chat. Okay. Yeah. Mainly, like, isolation, gaslighting, dehumanization, acceleration of, respiratory therapies, strict adherence to the protocol, denial of alternate treatments, police involvement. What am I forgetting, Chelsea? I don't know where I stuck my list, but the those are the kind of thing that everybody everybody is experiencing. Speaker 1: Yep. And I've, I talked to Tracy recently. Her next thing is prioritizing, identifying every step of the the COVID protocol. And, and I've been working on that with some assistance from the AI. So I've had a analyzing every single case, every single story that we have, and trying to nail down the protocol. And I think I've I've about got it down to the the things that they did. And it goes from the initial stage, which is patients stay home, because that was the guidance, stay home and get lots of rest, drink fluids until you can't breathe. Right. And then then they go to they're told to go to the ER. And then, delayed hospital admissions, that causes the the condition to worsen. They go to urgent care or a clinic. They get COVID tests. They get, like, steroids or antibiotics, but most frequently, they're sent home with nothing with instructions to, return or visit the ER if they get worse. And then when systems escalate, typically with decreased oxygen oxygen saturation or respiratory distress, patients are then admitted to the hospital, and, they're tested again for COVID, and they're put on the high flow oxygen, isolated from their family. And and the the hospitals invariably strictly adhere to the the COVID protocol, which is the administration of EUA drugs, sedatives, opiates, and Ativan. And then then their health just what do you know? Their health gets worse. So they increase oxygen and put them on a vent. Secondary complications develop. They're neglected. There's inconsistent and conflicting medical advice. Patients are not hydrated or fed. Many times, they're they're deprived of food and water even when a DNR is in place, which, I mean, I don't know how they can ethically justify that. The patient is dying, and they're still continuing to deprive them of food and water. Forced use of chemical and physical restraints. So they're using ventilators as behavior control and using the the sedatives as behavior control, liberal use of benzodiazepines opiates, denial of family advocacy and communication. They will move the phone out of reach of the victim. So they can't even they're vented. They can't even get on their phone. They can't communicate with loved ones. Loved ones are forced to stand outside and view their loved ones through plexiglass. Speaker 2: Yep. But that's exactly what happened to this person too. She he was also restrained because he didn't want the vent, and so he was trying to pull it out. Because, obviously, he need it. And, she had to she was completely isolated even in death, and that's one of the commonalities as well. Removal of the communication devices. They they won't they won't charge their phones for them. They'll look keep them way high up on a shelf. Everyone I think everyone had this one that they perceive something was wrong, some kind of wrongdoing or malfeasance that they people maybe not realize what it was at the time, but they just in their gut, they knew something was wrong. Pressure to sign in DNR. A lot of times, there's just injuries and and and infections that have nothing to do with COVID. It's just neglect because, you know, what happened with Gail is they would every time she rang her bell because she needed something or lit up her light, the lady would come in and hit her and say, I can't come in here. You're unvaccinated. And her oxygen was thing was coming apart from the machine. I mean, clearly, she needed some help. And the gaslighting is just unbelievable. The vaccination, discrimination, refusal to communicate. They won't call you back. They won't call the family back. And, you know, it's it's really interesting because on the on the EUA mandated forms from remdesivir, there's one for the patients or the caregivers, which is two pages long, front and back. And then the one for the doctors is 36 pages. And it says it right in the thing, emergency use authorization, of remdesivir that the health care provider must provide the patient or the patient's family members with their doc with that document. Inform them that there's other treatments, inform them that it's their choice to take remdesivir, and let them know of the risk. Not a single person, I don't think, Chelsea, am I right, have ever seen that document. And they're supposed to initial it, and it's with the phone or file. Speaker 1: Right. There has been no informed consent throughout the emails for the and they're still sending out the vax with the blank inserts. Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I'm looking I'm reading it right here. It says the care I mean, the provider must give this document, the fact sheet, to the patient. It's just unbelievable. And then but, of course, anybody that read this would never agree to it. Here it is right here. It says, communicate to your patient. This is a I'm a provider. Communicate to your patient or the patient's caregiver the information in this fact sheet. They must report this in the medical record that they have been given, the fact sheet for patients and patient caregivers, informed of alternative alternatives to receiving remdesivir and informed that remdesivir is an unapproved drug that is only authorized under an EUA. That is in it says mandatory requirements for remdesivir administration under the emergency use authorization. Speaker 1: And instead, they're telling victims, if you don't get remdesivir, you're You'll die. You're dead. Yep. Speaker 2: It's so unbelievable. And then the patient ones, the reason why their patients don't get it, it says like, the second paragraph, remdesivir is an investigational antiviral medication, used to treat certain people in the hospital. It is investigational because it's still being studied. There's limited information known about the safety of, or effectiveness of using remdesivir to treat COVID and that it there are possible side effects like kidney and liver failure. And these are not all the possible side effects of remdesivir. Remdesivir is still being studied, so it is possible that all the risks are not known at this time. Not a lot of people have taken remdesivir. Serious and unexpected effects may happen. Then the next paragraph down, it is your choice to be treated or not with remdesivir. Should you decide not to receive or stop it at any time, it will not change your standard medical care. Well, you know that's yeah. It's just, I mean and it says, what if I decide not to take remdesivir? If you decide not to take remdesivir, you might die. It's and that's all in bold. And then underneath it, not in bold says, even if you receive remdesivir exactly as directed, you still might die. It's all on the fact sheet. It's all on the fact sheet. Speaker 1: And now they've gone and explicitly said you should give remdesivir to COVID victims who have liver or kidney injury, which is absolutely insane. Speaker 2: And then Alice says not to give it after the seven day viral replication stage, which well, this person got it twelve days later, and we know tons of people, that got it really, really late. It's just, you know, that extra 20% bonus, it's I mean, I've got this whole thing, like, the 36 pages highlighted a bunch of places, but the the fact is they don't follow this at all. And it is, who is this from? I think it's the FDA. Yeah. The US Food and Drug Administration has issued an emergency use authorization to permit the emergency use of this unimproved project, product remdesivir for treatment of suspected or laboratory confirmed coronavirus. And, this EUA is used to, inform your patients. Not a single person has ever seen either of those documents. Speaker 8: Hey, Cece. Have you seen the correlation between COVID and acute renal failure that I've done? Speaker 2: Yes. It blows my mind. I yeah. Explain that to me. That's unbelievable. Speaker 8: So well, there was there was a hand up. Do you want me to wait? Or oh, the hand went down. So in Minnesota so I have Minnesota and Massachusetts death certificates in Minnesota. COVID goes up, acute renal failure does not. In fact, it goes down a little. Then COVID goes down, acute renal failure, there's there's no correlation. That's in 2020. So you have EUAs of, I think, April and May for various age groups for, remdesivir. And then you've got the big one, which I think it went down at maybe 12 years old, and that was October 22. Still no correlation. But then when you start the money on 11/02/2020, within two week two weeks, COVID and acute renal failure parallel each other perfectly for the next year and a half. So you've got no correlation with COVID without the money flowing for remdesivir. As soon as the money kicks in, they're perfectly parallel to each other. It's a it's pretty stark. I mean, I know people don't like looking at at line graphs. It's they're more complicated than bar graphs. But when you look at it and figure, like, holy shit. Right. They didn't start the remdesivir flowing or they didn't start the acute renal failure deaths until the money started flowing. It wasn't when the EUA happened. It was the money that incentivized them to do this on purpose. Speaker 2: And wasn't it that the the CDC didn't say anything because they were combining acute with chronic? Right? Speaker 8: Yeah. No. That's that's an issue where people couldn't find the signal or they were saying that, oh, it's only a 20% increase. Well, they would say, oh, there is a 20% increase. And I'm like, no. It's a 100% increase. It's not 20. That's where the the the chronic was going down when acute was going up. And if you look at the two together, it doesn't look like that bad of a signal. 20% increase is really bad, by the way. But, you know, a 100% is five times that bad. But, yeah, that's where that's where the chronic came in. It it kinda the deficit in the chronic, which was due to the old people that have died earlier, masked the increase in the younger people that had acute after November 2. Speaker 2: Why don't you think that the, because acute and chronic are different. Chronic, you've had it for a while, and acute is just all of a sudden. Right? So why why did the CDC combine that? Just to be deceptive deceptive? Speaker 8: Well, I would think so. Sometimes they're incompetent, and sometimes they're deceptive. Like, trying to figure that one out is kinda hard. There's there's also acute on chronic, which means they've had a chronic problem, and it was an acute problem of the kidneys that that they died from. Because a lot of the chronic problems, they'll die from something else, but it'll be listed that they had a chronic kidney disease on their on their death certificate. So, I mean, it's it's a little more complicated. I try to make it sound simple, but, yeah, the CDC, was it were they doing it on purpose? That, I don't know. They they do so many other things on purpose that I caught them at, like hiding vaccine deaths. But for this, the the CDC memorandum is is a notice of criminal liability, a cease and desist, and a required action. Three things. And I'm giving them, you know, all the facts and data. It's not data. It's real real people, real stories. People reacted and died. So, they can't hide from it. They can't say they didn't know. So ignorance of fact is a is a legal defense for a crime. They can't say that ever in the future. This raises, r a z e s. I I shouldn't have used that word, a lot in the document. But so notice raises ignorance. Right? Notice destroys destroys ignorance. Once they've been given notice, they can never say they were ignorant of a fact, and that's why they did it. They said, well, we didn't know. They can't say that anymore. Speaker 1: Well, that's why they try to muddy the waters around the facts and say, oh, well, our experts say this, so your experts are wrong. Yes. So the whole world has been going back and forth doing this public, Speaker 8: public debate with so called experts on either side and stuff. I'm like, screw the experts. These people react right away, and they died, and you need to investigate. If you don't investigate, it's it's criminal, but it's it's an omission of conduct, the the omission of which is criminal because these are the people that have a legal duty to act. If the crossing guard tells the little boy, step in the road, and the kid steps in the road and gets hit by a bus, and not only did she neglect doing her duty, but she knew the bus was coming. She knew it. And she told him to go in the road anyway. That's murder. Right? She had the legal duty to stop him from going in the road. She did just the exact opposite, told him to go in the road. He got hit by the bus. That's what's happening with the CDC. They have the legal duty to act. We don't. They were put in the position for public safety, and not only are they shirking their duty, they're doing the opposite. And they're purposely and intentionally not investigating very obvious deaths. And it's criminal, but the government has a monopoly on prosecution. So, you know, I'm I'm telling them that this is there's no statute of limitations. I'm gonna pursue you for the rest of my life. We have over 10,000 people who are gonna do so. Now you've been served. It's a public I'm gonna make it public. Everybody's gonna know, and you can't ever get away from it. And there's no sovereign or qualified immunity in criminal cases. This isn't civil. So, Mandy Cohen, you individually are gonna be pursued for crimes somewhere. And I don't care if it's a county in Texas or Oklahoma or Oregon or or the state. Somewhere, somebody's gonna subpoena you to a grand jury, and you better show up. I mean, that's where I'm going with this. Speaker 1: So the plausible deniability sorry, Cece. The plausible deniability can only last so long. And as we raise awareness and make people aware of these things, that's their their plausibility their plausible deniability will wane and will reach the a point where they can't they can't say our experts say this because it will be incontrovertible. Speaker 8: Look, that's that's what the CDC memorandum is. It it it goes away. There is no plausible deniability. They can't deny it. They will have received and been served with a 100 pages of factual, enumerated paragraphs, factual allegations that they have a legal duty to investigate. And if they do not, they're guilty. I love it. And it goes to deliberate indifference, and deliberate indifference is a pretty high, you know, standard that, gets murder, basically. Speaker 2: So we know why the hospitals did it, the doctor for money. But why why do you think it just besides just being corrupt, that the CDC did it was deceptive too? I mean, are they receiving some kind of incentive or to lie? Speaker 8: I I mean, the the laws were codified. Right? The whoever put those things in, it's a bureaucracy. They're just doing what they're told, and they're they're, enacting the the code and the statutes that were written. Speaker 1: So in my opinion, all of the policies and protocols that have been enacted under pretext of this crisis have been in service of agendas that have been laid out for the last thirty years. Speaker 7: Yep. Yep. Yep. Speaker 1: So it's bigger than money. It's bigger than kickbacks. It's it's taking control in a way that they couldn't have been imagined doing without the pretext of the crisis. Speaker 8: Yeah. But whoever that was that just asked the question, I don't know if it was Cece. But, Yeah. The the question is and I and I've everybody wants the answer. Why did they do this? Well, who's they? Okay. At every different level, there's a different reason. Doctors were coerced by medical boards not to go against the agenda. They were told by the administrators of the hospitals, if you don't contain the aerosols to the patient using a ventilator and you use, like, a CPAP, then the staff, the doctors, the nurses, the orderlies, were all gonna get sick and die from COVID. So they they they made the doctors afraid and the doctors being, well, kinda dumb these days, not like anybody over, say, 55 years old who, went to medical school before 1992 where EBM kicked in, based on the the the new processes that were being being made in McMaster University out of Canada, due to the thank thank the Canadians for the whole EBM. No no offense to Canadians here, but that's what happened. Alright. I'm going up on a tangent. But the so the doctors had one reason. The, the administrator is obviously financial. The, some of the politicians, they didn't even know what they're signing. That thing was written a long time before March when it was passed. Right? The CARES Act. They pulled it off the shelf, blew off the dust, changed a few variables, and enacted it. Everything was just ready to go for these guys, and it's a behavior modification, the whole thing, the CARES Act, the PREP Act, all all of it, the cms.gov. They're they're modifying people's behaviors with incentives just like a sales plan. Like, you know, or or if they want a sales staff to sell one thing more than another, you put a spiff on it, a special incentive, something. I forget how what the acronym is, but it's you get more money. Right? I remember my regional director came and said, John, I need you to sell analog simulation. So I changed the 2,000,000 contract. I went to the customer and said, hey. Can I stuff a bunch of analog simulation in here? I'll give you some other stuff for free. He said, yeah. Sure. I said, you can remix it. You can get rid of it in, I think it was thirty days. But the initial order is what the product booking is. So we put a bunch in. The regional director got his bonus. And thirty, days later, the customer remixed it out and brought in, you know, chip layout software instead of analog simulation. So it's just forget about the names of the stuff. I'm telling you. People will people are incentivized to do things. They will do things. Speaker 1: You know? Yep. And it's come to our attention that hospital executives across across different hospitals have been meeting in secret to collude to implement these policies. And they've been doing this throughout the pandemic, and they're still doing it now. Speaker 2: I just think it's so sad that people could be so easily corrupted by the I mean, there's not enough money in the world to make me go murder someone's loved one. You know what I mean? I just I I know not everybody thinks like us, but how do you get so many people to have zero moral standing or or or compassion for life. I I I don't know. It's just hard for me to to believe that people could just be like, oh, we'll give you some money if you kill people, and people are like, okay. Speaker 8: It it's been like that since the beginning of man. I mean, the pay plan I know. Behavior. If you incentivize something, you'll get more of it. The pay plan defines the behavior. These are things I've been saying in presentations and in my book, and, they're all true, and they all work. And when when we had to come up with a a pay plan, it's a it's a mix of variable compensate compensation and fixed. So salary and call it commission. You wanna align the goals of the variable compensation with the goals of the company. And, no matter what you put on paper, you know, you're gonna find loopholes to get what you want in in the field. They're get they're gonna get what they want to the detriment of the company if you don't write it well. And what they're doing is they're getting what they want, and they don't care about the detriment to the people. They don't care how many people die. They some of them don't think anybody is gonna die. They think, well, remdesivir, that sounds good. Okay. Whatever. Give it to them because we're getting incentivized. And the CDC wouldn't have wouldn't have told us to give it if it wasn't good. They wouldn't do that to us, would they? So some of these guys don't know they're doing bad. They just don't know. But others do and don't care. So it's different for every person. There's no one answer. Speaker 2: Yeah. Then after you see, you know, this happening, you have 20 patients, and you gave them remdesivir, and they all died from kidney failure. At some point, you have to say, hey. This isn't working. Maybe we should try something else. Like, did they not care about their professional reputation or that all their patients are dying? Like, that you're not a good doctor then. Well, that's where Some of them still believe that it's COVID killing those patients too. They've been so indoctrinated Speaker 1: that this is a novel virus, and everything we know about every virus goes out the window because this one is novel. We have to listen to the so called experts. They really they don't even they don't even know. They think they're losing patients to COVID. And I'm not saying that's true for all doctors, but for some of them. Which is crazy. Coronavirus has been around Speaker 2: a very long time. Speaker 8: Well, this this CCI, I mean, people will argue this, and there are a lot of some of the people I call friends that I've met throughout this whole thing who would get mad at me for saying it. But, there is something about this virus early, early, early on. Oh, yeah. There is something weird about it. It it had prothrombotic effects, in very few people, probably one one hundredth as many people as the vaccine. But let me get back to, what you just said there. Oh, shoot. Speaker 2: I'm a huge forget. Speaker 1: I mean, it's got strings of patented code in it, and it's got a snippet of HIV in it. So it's not your average coronavirus, but that doesn't justify throwing everything we know about viruses out the window. Speaker 8: Right. Oh, yeah. So I remember out. Speaker 16: So Speaker 8: the the doctors. If the doctors are over a certain age, it's like you you asked the question, well, wouldn't they see that it killed people? And and like the host said I'm sorry. I don't know your name. They they think they're doing good still. Now Steve had on this this wacky guy, Gu, g u, out in San Francisco, who's a totally he's just very political. Everything about him is all up and down the line blue, the the d blue cult. And Steve asked him the question, if you gave 20 of your patients this in this case, it was a vaccine, not remdesivir. So if you gave 20 of your patients the COVID vaccine and ten were dead in two weeks, would you continue to give it? And I thought it was a stupid question. It was kinda like, you're never gonna get the answer you want. The guy actually said out loud, I would have to consult the literature. And and that's the problem with EBF is that it turned the scientific method on its head where the patient in front of you is no longer the most important evidence. It's the literature. Even if the literature was from a paper halfway around the world with different food, different water supply, different genetics, that paper is still more important than the guy presenting right in front of you. Even if the doctor knows the local water supply has too much nickel or too much tin or whatever, and he knows the local food supply maybe, isn't a match. Maybe certain fish don't go well with the, I don't know, pick up that with with the the Trinidadians. You know, that the older doctors know better. They they they're used to treating the patient in front of them, but the younger ones have been indoctrinated through this new education of doctors since 1990 roughly 1992 in the North America, and that is to consult the literature. So this whole evidence based medicine is a farce. It's centralization. It's economically if you, optimize for pecuniary, you know, financial, reasons, it's it's pretty good. It'll save the government a lot of money. But the optimization for financial reasons will lose people at the margins of normalcy. And what that means is there's a percentage of the population are gonna be misdiagnosed because they're relying on this stupid AI. I call it AI, but what whatever the CDC is saying. We're gonna do what the CDC says. Because if we don't, they're gonna come after us, our our licensed to practice, and we're gonna get malpractice lawsuits. But if we just do what the CDC says, we're we're indemnified. No nobody can come after us because how are you gonna sue a doctor for malpractice if he's doing what the CDC said? So the doctor is gonna take a greater chance of killing you than using his own brain with the patient that's right in front of him. In my article, a short story about Bill, where Bill's a doctor and he makes a decision to use the CDC protocol. The patient ends up fine, but it was a five percent chance the patient's gonna die. And he knew that he could make it so that the patient had a one percent chance if he did what he wanted to do because he knew the patient better than the CDC. Mhmm. And so he couldn't sleep at night. Now, like, you can read the story. It's it's actually a pretty good story. All the doctors that read it loved it, and it's right on point. So, I don't wanna take over the conversation. I'm gonna mute and hang up. No. It's like John's, Speaker 1: substack is linked in the nest at the top of the space, so click that to read the rest of that story. Speaker 2: What's really happening is these agencies have handcuffed these doctors to be doctors. Now they're just rule followers and making decisions not based on their patient, but on based on Well, Speaker 1: they're also they're under a tremendous amount of pressure. Now I just I I've sat down with a a doctor who is a whistleblower recently, and, and I've I've heard so many doctors say, like, they're hearing if they prescribe treatments that work, like ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, they will lose their jobs. They've been instructed if you even see one of your peers, if you hear of one of your peers using ivermectin, tell us and they will be fired. And this is coming from hospital admins. So Speaker 2: Even though even though before they could use an off label medication for anything they wanted to. I mean, it's it's totally documented that they could do that. And now the administrators are telling the doctors what they can use, and that's practicing medicine without a license in my book because those administrators aren't doctors. I mean, the doctor knows best what's where his patient, and now their hands are being tied from being a doctor. Speaker 8: Yeah. Just just a word of warning. A lot of the administrators are doctors who just decided not to, practice anymore. They'd rather make a lot more money as an administrator. But but you're right, though. They are they are not seeing the patient. So Speaker 2: And, what made the government want to incentivize a dangerous drug that doesn't work? We can speculate on that with our tinfoil hats, but, you know, why why pay a hospital or a doctor to use a certain drug when there's other alternatives? Why? So they all go run out and get the dangerous jab. Speaker 1: I don't wanna be rude to our guests. We have Shine five and Hippie, Dippy, Cal Gal, me who have had their hands up for some time. So go ahead, you guys. Speaker 17: Hi. Yeah. I just have a quick question. I had been in, your spaces before, and I had told my story about my cousin who, regarding the death certificate. And, question is, do you know is have you heard anybody come across where they file a complaint with the coroner's office because, they didn't list on their death certificate. Like, they put down COVID on my cousin's death certificate, and he had been in, he was in treatment for, like, eight months for, lymphoma. And he had gone into the hospital, and, they didn't even put, that he had cancer on his death certificate. So I was wondering if anybody has gone that route because, his brother, does not want to get his medical records. He doesn't think that there was a problem with them giving him giving him remdesivir also. But, I just wondering if if anybody has come in talking about that, about filing complaint with the coroner's office because the physician signed the death certificate. It only seen him one, and took care of him only one night while he was in ICU. And this is the doctor they had signed, the death certificate, which didn't even list the the, you know, that he had cancer on there. But I'm more looking at this was fraud because they wanted to get those extra bonus payments for, because they had said he had COVID when he was in there. Speaker 2: John, that's all you. Death certificate talk. Speaker 8: Yeah. In fact, yeah, there's another one with a cousin, where where the father of a girl was trying to get the death certificate corrected to remove COVID and add the vaccine. That she reacted in hours to the vaccine, had a stroke, and died. They wrote COVID on the death certificate Center, wrote a paper about the stroke death and fatal post COVID mRNA vaccine associated cerebral ischemia. That means, and that's the title, that means the vaccine killed her by stroke. Every paragraph says that. And then a paragraph says, it says three months earlier, she was she tested positive for COVID but was asymptomatic. So she had no symptoms for COVID three months earlier, but really it was four and a half months because I I the the VAERS record is written by the, the cousin of the father. So the timeline is better from her than it is from the, the other information. So anyway, yeah. They're trying to get it taken. Now you say a complaint. Now let's be clear about what complaint means. Okay? And then legally, that's a lawsuit. So whom would you sue? You you don't have a private right of action to use criminal laws, like you mentioned fraud. Well and I learned this the hard way. I had to, amend my complaint against the governor and the public health commissioner and four individual medical examiners and the chief medical examiner. And when I I, I brought it down to civil action for deprivation of rights, and that I don't wanna talk about that right now, but it's sort of a third party doctrine, way to weave my way through standing. But I had to remove the fraud complaints because it's really difficult to find an implied private right of action because there's no there's certainly no express way to use a criminal statute against them. And then if you wanted to try to sue for money, well, you can't. It would have to be the next of kin. Right? The brother. You can't sue on behalf of the nation because you don't have standing. It has to be personalized kinda thing, an injury, in fact, to you, with regard to standing doctrine. So, really, I mean, you can come you can you can write a, nonlegal complaint and complain to them and say, you guys are lying, and that's kinda what I'm doing. I'm I'm putting them on notice saying these are all this is all fraud, and, and that fraud led to murder. So, you know, yes, there are people that are complaining. They're not getting anywhere because the government's not not listening to them. Speaker 17: Well, let me ask you another question. So you're doing a nonlegal complaint, like, a more under a civil action versus fraud. But yeah. Have you come across anybody doing that? Like because yeah. Because my my his brother doesn't wanna do anything, and I do, or at least harass the hell out of them, you know, until somebody till a lawsuit gets in that they get some teeth in this that, you know, that that can be moved forward, you know, for maybe a pathway to criminal action. Speaker 8: What what state are you in? Speaker 17: I'm in I'm in Florida, but my cousin, where where he was, he was at the University of Illinois in Chicago. But that's what I'm wondering about. Is that have have you come across anybody doing putting, like, the the the administrative hospital on notice with this information also along with that pathway too? Speaker 8: No. But, actually, Catherine's here, and she works with a law firm, but they do false claims act. So this would be just, like, another person in the list of false claims because that that fraud on the death certificate is actually a false claim by the hospital to get more money. Because if you write COVID on the death certificate, it's gonna kick in more money from the federal government. So if that's not what they died from, it's a false claim. And it's federal money. So there there go there kicks in the false claims act. But you really don't have a whistleblower, and it's just gonna you're not gonna you you can't really win that one because you don't have a viable path. It it might it it would be another person to add to the list, but it wouldn't be the main evidence that would win the case. I don't know if Catherine wants to speak on that. Speaker 17: Well, I may have a pathway for a whistleblower because there was a nurse who, that was on nights, and I took her name down. I was gonna try to call and talk to her because she was agreeing with me of some of the things they were doing for him that that, wasn't right. And I could tell just by talking to her in several occasions that she, yeah, she kinda knew what was going on. I mean, I don't know if I can get her to do with that, but that's another path I'm taking is I'm gonna call and try to talk to this nurse to see if Speaker 8: I would say that definitely I mean, do that. The person that I don't know if Catherine wants to get involved in that, but she's, she's here and listening. She that if you could get a whistleblower, they would love to have one. I know that. Whistleblowers are few and far between. It doesn't sound to me like, I asking this woman to put her income on the line and her career on the line, is a lot. I don't think she's gonna be a whistleblower and come forward, but, it's certainly worth a try. And that would not be me to talk to you. That would be, the Mendenhall law firm. So I don't wanna speak for them. But Speaker 17: Yeah. Well, I I'll see. I'm gonna contact her and feel her out and see if I see if she would wanna do that or not. And I and I get what you're saying. Yes. Because I don't know if she's prepared to do that or not. Or maybe she is because she's seen enough of this horror that's been going on with these hospital protocols. So, you know, I could just kinda hear it in her voice, you know, after talking to her several times, you know, throughout my cousin's stay in the hospital before he died. So, Speaker 8: worth a try, and, it might help if there was another whistleblower who was willing to talk to her about what she would potentially go through. That that's you know, if if I was a law firm, that would be the path that I would kinda take, to make sure the whistleblower isn't gonna kinda jump and run, cut and run. Excuse me. Yeah. Okay. Yep. I've talked enough on this. It's not really my wheelhouse. Speaker 6: I guess this is my time to to kinda jump in here. So, you know, I don't speak for Mendenhall law firm either, but, you know, I'm I'm executive director of Freedom Counsel. We're we're getting lawyers together and trying to figure out these things, these these particular issues that you're talking about right now, the the broad angle false claims act. How do we and and how to go after the hospital administrators, things of that nature. And we're we're working on it. I mean, I I came in here just just just a little bit ago, so I'm not fully I didn't fully hear everything that was being said there, but I heard enough that that, you know, if you wanna reach out to me, message me here on on Twitter. And I'd I'd definitely like to talk more about what happened to your cousin there. Speaker 17: Yeah. Yeah. I'll send you a DM. I'll follow you. Thank you. Speaker 8: So you you you just locked out because that's the right person to talk to right here. So Speaker 15: Can't confirm. Speaker 2: Catherine's always the right person, so I ask her to come on every single thing we do. All our Monday meetings, all our Twitter spaces, all the she's you and you and John. Catherine and John are, like, my go tos. Who is next? Hippy Dippy. Hippy Dippy. Go ahead. Speaker 18: Hi. Yeah. John, I think the spiff, what you were looking for was sales performance incentive fund. And, that's what a lot of hospitals do. They have a fund, much like what the the bureaucrats and government are doing. And it's just because we have been, we have become, units units of monetary units to these administrators and whatnot. But I'm I think I'm preaching to the choir here. I was wondering, Catherine, if or would be something to consider in some of these things. So I was a a nurse in the, late nineties and early two thousands, and, I kinda saw what was coming because after that, I was also a medical transcriptionist in the prisons. And so I kinda saw it going that way, with our data and then also with how it was box checking and not real patient care is the reason why I left, the medical field. But and then I also, read a book by, an ex nurse named Echo Heron, and she was a a nurse in the eighties and nineties. And so she saw this happening back then when the HMOs and everything came around. So, you know, it it it feels like, you know, ethics is gone, and the moral turpitude is shining bright. And, anyway, thank you for letting me talk. Speaker 9: Yeah. I know Thank you so much. Speaker 6: Go ahead. Yeah. I was just gonna answer the question about it. The key tam is definitely something that the Warner is is very much looking at. They're they're not really getting off the ground right now simply because they have a six year statute of limitations, And and all the other kinds of cases have a much shorter one. So that's kinda put on the back burner right now. But, I mean, it is very obviously a whole lot of fraud, and a lot of, Medicare, Medicaid, kinds of fraud. But it's you don't Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2: Brad is Brad is also, like, in the KeytaMed. He's he's filed quite a few, but he's looking at those to file those eventually too. Speaker 8: Just just so you know that, false claim is a key tam action. The quote we're onto is is probably not applicable here. Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he was talking about whistleblower ones. Alright. Who's next? Anybody else have their hand up? Has doctor Giamponti, joined us? I asked him to come on. Oh, Liberty Call. I sent you an invite, Clover. Tell us about your project projects. Did you get my invite to speak? You have to accept the Speaker 1: invite. You might say a few words about the cookbook, while he figures out how to oh, he's accepted. Never mind. Go ahead. Speaker 2: Clover report. Speaker 19: Oh my goodness. Can you hear me now? Yeah. We can hear you. I I figured this thing out. So we have produced the documentary, do no harm, actually several documentaries, and we're trying to continue to do more to wake up the sheep and fight off the wolves. And, we're moving forward with that. Had the documentary, do no harm that Clifton Dolly story has been viewed about six times, and we're asking everybody to share it. And as, God allows, we're gonna continue to produce more stories. You can go to donoharmstories.com if you, are interested in telling your story or seeing other stories that we have been producing. Speaker 2: Any stories that we coming up next in projects in the works? Speaker 19: We'll we'll cut quite a few, but I I don't think it would be fair to, put anybody on the spot. But there are people in this group right now that we are working on their Speaker 2: stories. Oh, nice. Nice. And their work is incredible. Clovers company has produced for what? The History Channel, National Geographic. Geographic. Yep. Yep. The Learning Channel. Speaker 19: Mhmm. Discovery Channel. Yeah, we have done that. And my story is my mother was murdered by the hospital protocols in in 02/2021, and it was a big wake up call for us. And we're in the fight, and normal has not come back. And, I I I think that that's the big lie that's being, perpetrated right now that just go go back to work. How can you just go back to work? It's not just what they did. It's what they're still doing. There's Yeah. Still lying about it. Speaker 7: Yep. Speaker 2: Yeah. I encourage everybody to go and watch. Speaker 19: Where can they find that? Is it on Rumble? It's on Rumble on the Liberty Call channel. Just do a search for the Liberty Call. Mhmm. And you can see the content there. And we've done, Liberty Call is, bringing, medical freedom folks to light. We're interviewing all kinds of, folks. Judy Mickiewicz, doctor Avery Jackson, doctor Peter McCullough, Gail McCray, just tons of people who are whistleblowers who are fighting back against this tyranny that's going on right now. Speaker 2: And is it doctor McCullough in this this latest documentary you just released, the Clifton Dolly story? That's correct. Speaker 19: Doctor McCullough is, in do no harm, the Clifton Dolly story. So I encourage everybody to go to donoharmstories.com. You can watch the whole thing. And you can also go to, Rumble, the liberty call. Search for the liberty call, and, you can watch the whole thing. It's just twenty, twenty five minutes, I think. Twenty two minutes maybe, and please share it. Speaker 2: Yeah. It's very good. Very good. Very sad, but very good. Thank you, Clover. Speaker 19: Thank you. Speaker 2: Let's see who else we have on here to speak. And there's Vanessa and Lisa. Hello. Jenny is on. She's been very active, miss Marie. I invited, doctor Giaconti to come on. Speaker 20: Oh, Speaker 8: and she Can I just mention something? Uh-huh. I totally forgot. I my, as of yesterday or the day before, my site is working, and people can order my book. And they can order yeah. It's on preorder. It'll be out in hopefully, within two weeks. So, yeah, I got a bunch of orders already, and I'm pretty excited. So it's just go to the real cdc.com, therealcdc.com. Speaker 2: And you can already order it. Right? Speaker 8: Yep. You can order the book, the CDC memorandum, the elect the ebook or the ebook CDC memorandum, or you can order a bundle of of the paper or a bundle of the e. So there's six different products. One, the other, and then the bundle, and then the paper version or the ebook version. Speaker 2: And I can't emphasize how John has spent so much work put so much work into these, this book and these memorandums and documents that is is very, very interesting, and, I think you'll learn a lot. Everybody needs to read it that's in this movement. Speaker 8: Yeah. The book is for everybody. It's especially if you have people who are on the fence. It's something they can understand. I don't do confidence intervals, p values, and statistics. I think statistical methods are the wrong way to go. I appreciate that. I show I show you real deaths of people who reacted in five minutes or a few hours. And it says, like, COVID on the death certificate when they reacted to the vaccine. So that's the the book is is accessible for everybody. The CDC memorandum, I don't wanna, oversell that. That's a lot of legalese. It's, I put a 100 pages of factual allegations with a lot of people and evidence from Minnesota and Massachusetts. And then, a 150 pages of about 400 graphs, showing all the different causes of death, and it's more analytical on the on the graph side. But then I go through a legal analysis of four different crimes, and I use, common law crimes because there's so many different states and statutes and and and federal statutes that instead of trying to trying to pick a few out of the 30 or 40 I could pick, I listed about 30 or 40 from everything from fraud to rico. But then I I did an analysis of uttering, which is kind of a subset of fraud. And then I did involuntary manslaughter, felony murder, and an old common law depraved heart murder. And the you know, it it's pretty high standard for depraved heart murder, but it's there, and I can prove it. So, yeah, that that's it. It's really for lawyers and doctors and and people who really wanna dig into, really, the nitty gritty. So the CDC memorandum isn't for everybody. The book is for everybody. It's a it's a better read. Speaker 2: And tell tell us the website one more time. Speaker 8: Therealcdc.com. Therealcdc.com. Speaker 2: So it's the The link to that is pinned in the next, so check that out. Thank you. Is it also on your other one, Vera Vida Vida? Or or did I say that right? You know what? I have to go yeah. Thank you. Speaker 8: I have to go add add, the link to the real CDC to the, Via Vera Vida site. I haven't I haven't updated that site in a while. It still got a lot of good data and presentations on it and my lawsuits, which are both on appeal now. One in the state court against the law school that kicked me out for not getting the vaccine. That's a contract violation, which is a it was a better option for me, as an older guy who made really good salary. But then the the injunctive relief one is against the state, and that's in fed court, not state court. And so it's very different, and I'm asking for them to stop the vaccine, give me access to the vaccine records of certain people, and, let me do an analysis of vaccine immunization records to death certificates to determine if the ones that I've found are which I already know are from the vaccine, but this would absolutely prove it, and they would have to admit it. And and I'm asking them for I'm asking the judge to order the state to make a public declaration of these deaths as vaccine deaths. Speaker 2: Can you do this in every state? I know you've done Massachusetts and working on Minnesota, but we would like you to do that in every state, please. Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I I it was dismissed, so I'm on appeal. Don't forget. Because I was dis the case was dismissed. And I don't you know, what are the chances I make it? My ultimate goal, if you remember from the conversations with Brad, is, what's Brad's last name again? Geier. Geier. I keep thinking that I I know it's Geier. It's just I have a friend with last name Geier. I think, nah. It can't be that. Anyway, you've heard our conversations. The the one thing that is it hurts Americans, is standing doctrine. So even when Trump's, wasn't Trump. It was, Texas and, I think, Missouri had sued Pennsylvania over the change in their election laws. They didn't change the laws. They changed the election in, you know, not in that not adherent to their own laws, and so there was a lot of corruption. And the supreme it went right to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court said, no. And the reason they said, no. You can't you don't have any standing is because of and they cited the case, Ichabod versus Ashcroft, which, I hate that case, and that's that's what I'm my goal, if I don't win on appeal, is to go to SCOTUS, which, you know, what are the chances of that? Very low. But if I do get there, it'll be about Iqbal versus Ashcroft where a Pakistani was grabbed after 09:11, thrown in federal prison, beaten up by the guards, purportedly. He probably was, but that's not the issue. The issue is that he they would let him go. They deported him to Pakistan. He sued not only the guards, but all the way up the chain to the attorney general of The United States who was in charge of those prison guards. And they created they they didn't SCOTUS didn't wanna let let him have the ability to sue the attorney general of The United States, so they they expanded the Luhan versus Defenders of Wildlife nineteen ninety one or two case, which is the seminal case that pulled together all the other prongs. They call them you know, there's a three pronged test they created from Luhan, and that became the case for standing doctrine in The United States. And it's it's it's reasonable, but it's it's a little too subjective for me, so it needs to be tightened up. But but the Iqbal case case is the greatest affront to the rights of the American people of anything on the books right now because it allows any judge to flick away any case he doesn't like. Simply, you know, I call it the subjective whim of a judge to just say, I don't wanna hear the case, so you don't have standing. Sorry. And and all the defend any every defense counsel would bring up, Iqbal, Iqbal, Iqbal. You know? You didn't you didn't state a plausible claim. Well, what's plausible? You you have to fit the claim in so many pages. You have to ask the court's permission to go beyond. I think it's 25 or 26 pages or or is it 20? I don't even know what it's it you can't fit everything. The plausibility rests on the evidence that you're putting. You haven't stated your case yet. You're you're just you're just making a claim, and it's the whole thing is ridiculous. I'll stop, but the greatest affront to Americans' rights is Iqbal versus Ashcroft. They call it Iqbal's revenge. He stole the rights from all Americans by, by by winning his case and standing doctrine or losing. Sorry. By losing his case. Speaker 2: That's crazy. I'm I'm still wondering how three letter agencies or or non just government agencies can just write away our rights without a law being passed as well, like the Prep Act, for example. I mean, who gave him who says he can just Speaker 8: That's highly unconstitutional. You're absolutely right. The Prep Act on its face is ridiculous. The government can't contract away your natural rights, which is what the Prep Act is. Exactly. You know, you have a right to, to bring a case in contra. Article three section two is case in controversies. It's a very short phrase, within the constitution. And then as you go beyond that, you have the right to to sue. You have a right to bring a case. What? I can't even remember all the amendments now seventh. And and that they're saying, forget about all that. Here, we're gonna contract away your right to sue. So now Pfizer can kill you or kill your kid, and you can't sue them because we said so. So So you can't do that. How can they get away with that? I don't understand. It hasn't been it has to any law that they put on the books has to be challenged all the way up to the Supreme Court and then struck down. So you have to adhere to the law until the law is used against you, and you you you have to challenge it all the way up based on its constitutionality. That's how it gets struck down. It kinda sucks. Speaker 2: The thing is that it's not a law. It's just, like, a mandate or a rule. Speaker 8: You know? I was right back. This was Speaker 1: It's all done through incentives. And just like they incentivize doctors to prescribe remdesivir and other harmful protocols, they incentivized families to let let it go. Call it COVID, and we'll give you $10. Yeah. I mean, it's it's pretty deep. Speaker 8: Not to correct you, but it's exactly $9,000. Speaker 1: Right. I was rounding that. Speaker 8: Yeah. And in fact, AOC was so proud of that. She said, I'm the one who put that in there. Like, you're an idiot. No wonder what Speaker 7: Yeah. Speaker 8: It's all it's all just crazy. So that that goes to the administrative state and the Administrative Procedures Act, which enabled the executive branch agencies to go and kinda codify stuff. So there there's codes and laws, and then what they're doing is not even, like, code. It's just it's just they're we're the we're an executive administrative agents agency, so we're gonna make this rule. It's like, screw your rule. It's anti constitutional. But you have to you have to challenge it. Otherwise, it stays on the books. Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we have some brave constitutional attorneys that are looking into doing that just that. So, hopefully, they're successful because it's giving complete immunity to pharmaceutical companies with experimental drugs. It's just baffling to me. Speaker 1: And we're so grateful, John, that you've pursued putting forward that CDC mandate because now they won't be able to look the other way. You're you're taking away their plausible deniability, and that is just beautiful. Speaker 8: Yeah. It's going to, about Twitter. So, the the commissioner of the FDA, the director of the CDC, the director of NIH, and then 12 of their underlings, including Peter Marks and Janet Woodcock and a few others. And then it's also gonna be copied to at least, six states I have in mind with, you know, somewhat friendly, attorneys general. So it'll go to the attorneys general who have a legal duty to act upon it for the safety of their own citizens. And then, trying to, I'm with the, grand jury team out of, you know, Doctor. Henry Illey and, senators Kim Thatcher and Dennis Linthicum, state senators in Oregon, who are the petitioners to get before a federal grand jury, to investigate the CDC and FDA. So hopefully, I can get this document in front of some grand jury somewhere, because that team, we're we're gonna look for other venues. You know, Florida is one that's already impaneled right now, and I gotta hurry up because their time is running out. And then there's a Northern California grand jury I have an eye on. And if anybody knows of any other grand juries or has any understanding of grand juries in Southern Red states who might be amenable to, investigating this, then, you know, I would love for them to pick this up, read it, and then they go, oh, well, let's subpoena Fauci and haul his ass down to Oklahoma. That's what I'd like to see happen. Well, that's what we're kinda doing, and, Speaker 2: the law firm in Florida has put together, I don't know if you call it a brief or a document that's going to the attorney generals in Florida, Louisiana, and Texas to, open a a criminal investigation into Fauci and Company. So our attorney general here in Texas is friendly, and he just sued, who was it, Pfizer. Pfizer. Yeah. So I I'm thinking that he's gonna be open to we're trying to get all the victims that we know of to write handwritten letters by the next couple days so we can include those, in the because they you know, and saying your constituents, we have 200 letters from Texas family saying we want something open an investigation opened. And I think he will be open to it. I know the Louisiana one is, and they're working on Florida. But, Speaker 8: Those are three of my six states I wanna go to. Yeah. I think, Speaker 2: Texas might be a good one for you to do this. I'm yeah. The, Speaker 8: I might be able to get to Paxton, but the more people who tell them about the CDC memorandum, the better. Now the the CDC memorandum that the they get and that the FDA, CDC, and NIH get is gonna be unredacted with all names. Mhmm. The one that the one that's being published and sold is, you know, I'm gonna replace the names with, you know, Annabelle, Baker, Charlie, you know, Abel, Baker, Charlie or whatever. Alpha, double, delta. You know? I'm just gonna use fake names. Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm I could probably get the the one to Paxon for you. I have connection with him, but, you know, he's kinda out for blood too because what they've just done to him. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Speaker 8: Yeah. Speaker 2: There's no no surprise why they tried to get rid of him because it turns around and sues Pfizer, and it's coming out doing the right thing. So When's his term? Speaker 8: I don't know. I need to double check that. Is is when do you elect your governor? Is it two years off the presidency? I believe so. Alright. So he's got another three years. Good. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2: And I I strongly think he's on our side, and, you know, he's got somebody that we work with that her dad is good friends with him. So we we definitely have connection with him. But I'll drive up to Austin and give it to him myself if I have to. Yeah. He'd be a good one. And, you know, Louisiana has a friendly AG. He's like, just bring me the victims. I'll do it. Speaker 8: What's his name? Like, Lawrence Brie? Where I can't remember his name. Lowry Brie. Speaker 2: It's on the We The People With 50 website. I can't remember either of them. It's a pretty common name. Yeah. And and Oklahoma is not a bad they did serve Ashley Moody in Florida, but not getting the response that they wanted. Speaker 8: I'm a little bit worried about the grand jury in Florida and that the, state attorney that's advising that grand jury might be kinda pulling punches and not really going for it. You know? Because I don't think during a presidential campaign they want that the that they, they wanna return a a true bill for indictment of some pretty heavy Washington names. I think DeSantis and Latypo kinda wanna sit that out for, you know, until until the election's over. Speaker 2: Speaking of Florida, I just saw that, doctor Giafanti's on, and he's perfect to talk about all the stuff we've just been talking about. Since you had invite to speak, you have to hit accept doctor Ghiafanti. He's got a interesting story because he was a ER doctor. You're talking about doctors that have been doctors for more than the last twenty years that still care about patients and and treated individuals. That's him. And he was also a protocol survivor where they tried to kill him. He they he watched him kill the roommate, his roommate in the hospital, and they tied him to the bed. And his his story is is insane, but he's a wealth of knowledge on standard of care. And what happened in the hospital? Did he get the invite? Let's see. Yeah. He is accepted. Okay. Good. Hi, doctor Gaffanti. You have to unmute yourself too. Are you there? Speaker 21: How's that? Speaker 2: Hey. Good. We can hear you. We've been talking about all kinds of stuff that, you have good information about standard of care and about how new doctors just follow orders and COVID protocols and Florida laws. And Speaker 21: You know, it is very confusing to me. Right? I I told you I I was talking to the, medical director at at Sarasota Memorial Hospital who has reviewed my case three times and did not notice that the doctor that decided I was psychotic did no history, no physical, and no labs, and happened to be happened to misdiagnose me. I was like, what? Crazy. Yeah. What what kind of standard of care is this? Speaker 1: And it And this has been happening to a lot of doctors where their their credentials are threatened, and all they need is one report of a behavioral issue, and they lose their credentials. Speaker 21: What sorry. Go ahead. What I wanna know is why did three reviews miss this gross, pitiful medicine. Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Speaker 21: I'm trying to look the other way, I guess. We even had a a doctor from from Stanford. Right? So not not associated with the district with the so with, SMH at all. And he missed it. You know, it's like, what what are they doing? Speaker 2: I mean, that you think they're just trained to look the other way? Or I don't know. Are they doctor? Like, John was just saying that the younger doctors are are not being doctors. You know, that if you were got your medical license wait. Well, I forgot the dates you said, John. But So, yeah, real quick. Speaker 8: The Canadians changed their health care system and the manner in which they educate doctors in the mid nineteen sixties. I think it was '64. It might have been '65. And in doing so, they money flowed through the universities or the, excuse me, the the medical colleges to come up with, you know, something a little better than the scientific method or whatever. And they came up with the forerunner of EBM, evidence based medicine. And then it was worked on a little bit more, and they they coined the term EBM in 1981 out of McMaster University with some papers. Those papers became really popular, were sent all over North America. And by the time 1992 came around, evidence based medicine was the standard, not only in North America, it then pervaded the world. And, doctors now bow to a central kinda central authority in in research papers as the highest level form of evidence, whichever was ever meant to happen. They they don't the the patient should be the biggest evidence that's in front of the doctor, not the research papers, maybe some of which are from halfway around the world. So, yeah, the, when you get to 1992, you have a change in the way doctors perceive their jobs and and how medicine should be should be wrought. Does that make sense? And do you do you agree? Speaker 21: Well, I I went to medical school in the seventies. So so Even evidence based, medicine requires evidence. Right? Which means you do laboratory tests or at least that's what it what I was thinking it would mean. Right? Whereas I I have a case where they didn't bother doing a laboratory test. And, and if if the doctor I believe the doc I I mean, let me just say, a freshman medical student couldn't be this done. Right? A freshman medical student, not a a staff man on a in a teaching hospital. So Well, your observation is he's just trying to cover up for the nurses who had just committed two felonies. That's my assumption. I I I may be wrong. But in even in whether you call it evidence based medicine or not, what we're looking at is the guy guessed at a diagnosis because he didn't do a history. He didn't do a physical. He didn't do any labs. So what was left? Guess at a diagnosis. And what did he pick? A diagnosis that would cover, the nurses Baker Acting knee. And by the way, the nurses are not allowed to Baker Act. That's a doctor's choice. Oh, and and I've been I've been asking to see a doctor for sixteen hours. Speaker 2: Tell tell everybody what Baker Act means. Speaker 21: Oh, if they if the doctor determines that you are a danger to yourself or others, they can hold you in the hospital for seventy two hours. So, in my case, they tied me to my bed and and put me in isolation. Speaker 2: And wasn't that because you were trying to advocate for the patient in your room? I don't know. Speaker 21: So at at 03:25, all the nurses left my room. They talked to me from the hallway and said, we want you out of this room. We're gonna transfer you. I replied to the lady, you don't have to transfer me. I'll leave AMA. She said, okay. Lay in bed. I'll get you the AMA papers. So that was roughly 03:27. And at 03:46, in walked, a bunch of nurses and two security guards. They held me to my bed, tied me to my bed, took away my oxygen, and threw me in isolation. I I did remind them that I was, was AMA, but they didn't seem to know what those words meant or they didn't care. So, at about seven in the morning, doctor, Johnson called my wife and said, your husband's been baker acted. He doesn't need to be baker acted. I'm sending him home. An hour later, they called doctor Johnson and let him know that, I was baker acted, acted, and, they knew he needed to review my case to see if I he was going to continue the Baker acting. So you will notice from what I just said that, Doctor. Johnson undoubtedly had heard that this was a Baker Act needed to cover up, basically, elder abuse. So, so he let me go home. My oxygen, while walking dropped to 81. So I was in worse shape than when I came into the hospital. But at least I had a half wit of a doctor to take care of me, meaning me, of course. And, and all I did was go online and do whatever frontline doctors told me to do. And here I am still alive. Speaker 2: Good. Good. What about your roommate? Speaker 21: Oh, of course he died. You can't breathe through pus. And they they had refused him antibiotics for five days. Speaker 2: A marathon runner at that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Perfect health. Speaker 21: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So and and, you know, you know, this evidence based? Well, every time you draw a lab and you're treating the lab, like, let's just take the least controversial, six milligrams of dexamethasone. Right? Speaker 14: Mhmm. Speaker 21: Well, I bet you if you got enough of the labs, you'd find out that six milligrams of dexamethasone can control maybe a CRP of eight. And then if it's more than that, if the CRP is 20, all of a sudden, you've got people dying, and they're not raised in the dexamethasone. And that's not evidence based. That is a, a treatment protocol that can't be broken. Speaker 2: So can you explain the difference that you're telling me about the treatment protocol and the standard of care, how the supreme court said contradicted what the n I NIH said? Speaker 21: Okay. Sure. Well, first of all, a treatment protocol is a protocol used, when the patient is healthy. Like, the vaccine protocols where at three months you get these vaccines and at six months you get another set of those. And they all depend on the patient being healthy. If the patient is not healthy, if the child has got a cold, you're not supposed to give them the shots. So that's a treatment protocol, but what pretty much everybody on this phone call is probably used to is CPR. And CPR is an outcome protocol. Right? So what's an outcome protocol? Well, an outcome protocol, depends on the the outcomes. Hang on a sec. There we go. So, let's take, CPR. First thing you do is say, Annie, Annie, are you okay? And if Annie says, yes. I was just sleeping, you do not throw her to the floor, start pumping her chest, and doing mouth to mouth. That that would probably be called, sexual harassment. Speaker 11: Any rate, Speaker 21: why? Because the outcome you're looking for is a conscious person, capable of talking. So you know that air is moving through her airway. In COVID, you will see a patient coming in long after the COVID virus is, you know, is no longer being replicated. And they give him, remdesivir anyway. And and remdesivir is a viral, is a virus. It's an antiviral. You with me? So if the virus is not replicating, using an antiviral makes no sense. But in a treatment protocol, just like if Annie says it's, yeah, I'm fine, and you throw her to the ground, start pumping her chest, That's because that's the that's the treatment that has been provided. And, if you look at the CDC, they will tell you that ninety five percent of the patients, that died did not die from COVID. They just died from Speaker 8: a Speaker 21: comorbidity. And the reason for that is no comorbidities were treated in the treatment protocol. So my roommate got pneumonia. That's not in the treatment protocol, so they didn't give him antibiotics. I had one guy, that I whose case I reviewed, he died from thirst. I guess giving him water was not in the treatment protocol. Speaker 12: Jesus. Speaker 21: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's insane. And, and, I don't know whether it's because they're taking the brightest among us and making them stupid. Or I mean, but it let me just say, we're 70% water. There is no evidence in any way, shape, or form that should have stopped, and stopped this purse this the these doctors from giving the that gentleman water. Speaker 8: So one of what sorry. One one of the greatest things that appeared on, death certificates in Vermont is in addition. Now I had to look it up. You probably know what it is. I never knew what it was. I n a n I t I o n, in addition. And that's, you know, basically, it's either food or water. You're being deprived of some necessity. And there are a lot of people, a lot of people in 2021 who die in 2020 who died of in addition. They they starved and and deprived these people of water. Yeah. Speaker 21: Yeah. Yes. And and, you know, this one guy that died from thirst, they drove his BUN all the way up to a 135 before his kidneys and heart gave out. Speaker 2: And what does that mean? BUN? Speaker 21: It's blood urea nitrogen. It's an indicator of, how hydrated you are. And, the average, BUN is 10. Speaker 8: So basically a really dark dark brown pee? Or no pee at all. Oh, okay. Speaker 9: Yeah. Speaker 2: Can you think of the reason they were giving patients that they did not feed and were not giving water? MiraLAX? We get that a lot. Speaker 21: Yes. So if you don't have any any input, you get no output. So technically, you're you're constipated. And and, but the problem with MiraLAX is it requires water. Speaker 2: Right. Speaker 20: Which Otherwise, Speaker 21: it forms like a brick in the in the intestinal tract. It might That'd be painful. Speaker 2: Basically, they're doing everything wrong. Speaker 21: Yes. Yeah. And then the guys that are reviewing it don't are are are suddenly blind to it. I I what I've been asking the, what I've been asking the, the hospital for is an independent evaluation where there's a doctor for the for the loved one and there's a doctor, for the hospital. You know? Because well, because when I was sitting in my independent evalu evaluation, the doctor for the hospital was absolutely silent. I I was just we were teaching a hospital. So I'm asking him, is this what you're teaching your your residents? Don't do a physical. Don't do a history. Don't do any labs. Guess at the diagnosis. Is that your standard of care? And, of course, he was too embarrassed to say anything. And probably with his lawyer sitting next to him, he was unwilling to say, yes. That's our standard of care. Speaker 2: So what did you say the Supreme Court said about standard of care? Speaker 21: Well, the standard of care so I didn't I send that to you? Mhmm. CC? Speaker 2: Yes. Just for the viewer listeners. I think it's interesting. Speaker 21: I forget. Usually, once I send these things, I just take it off my, list of things to think about. Speaker 2: I can find it probably really easy. But, yeah, it was interesting that it's not standard of care because standard of care means something that works or something like that. Right? Speaker 21: Well, yes. Now the problem at the time we were we were talking about it was was that people were, lawyers were thinking that standard of care is based on whatever, what all the other doctors do. Right? And the problem is well, there are a number of problems. First of all, if that's the standard of care, within the next few years, all pharmaceutical companies will go bankrupt. Right? Because whatever drug they're working on is not what normal doctors do, and so we wouldn't be able to use any new drugs. So, you know, so you have you have that problem. And then so but but really, the NIH talks about it as, as what are our our standards for, patient care. Right? Do no harm. And there are a few other things. And then that that is really the standard of care. You know, it's it's probably the ethics of care. It's certainly not based on what everybody else does. And Right. If you can, you know, I I I know there's a a lawyer that was talking, just before I started talking, but but try to understand that sick people don't just have one disease. Things go awry. In my case, while I was, fighting, the, the my autoimmune system's reaction to the COVID virus. I got benign prostatic hypertrophy. I got a bronchitis, and and, those things were totally, utterly ignored. Speaker 2: Yeah. They they don't treat anything else, but No. Nothing. So Speaker 21: I was probably, I don't know, maybe four days away from the bronchitis turning into pneumonia. But fortunately, when I got out, I put myself on antibiotics. And, you know, I didn't put my self on antibiotics for any other reason than I didn't like the way my sputum looked. Speaker 2: Which they didn't test that? Or they did test it and just didn't do it? No. Of course, they didn't test it. Speaker 21: Not in the protocol. Speaker 2: Oh god. It's so frustrating. Speaker 21: But that It's very consistent. It it you know, if we can break through this I mean, I I do not understand the law at all. The law makes no sense to me. But if we can find a breakthrough case and show that you cannot use a treatment protocol ever on a pandemic Mhmm. You can stop the entire pandemic to kill millions of people routine. Right? Because the the protocol killed over a million people. Over a million people. And, in The United States alone. But the the virus, you know, killed one twenty one twentieth of that. Speaker 2: Yeah. I found And Speaker 21: the only way they could make that high of a death toll was to, was to create was to use this treatment protocol. So sooner or later, we've gotta stop Congress from ever make allowing another treatment protocol for an emergency. Speaker 2: So you wrote, the standard medical care, the medical practitioner must attempt to uphold four important principles, respect for patient's autonomy, the effecence, non malfeasance, and justice. And there's definitions. I can put this in the nest, but, to each of those. And it says the treatment of hospitalized COVID patients that I reviewed violated the first three principles of medical ethics. When it comes to justice, that is a question of intent, not usually documented in the medical records. The concept that standard of care is doing what every other doctor is doing violates the autonomy principle at the very least. Moreover, I've heard many cases where the patient or his family were told, you are directing care. The autonomy principle demands the patient direct the care. Speaker 9: Yes. Speaker 2: They're not getting the choice at all. Speaker 21: Right. Right. That's that's that's, one of the weird parts of this. So okay. So why would doctors from all across the country say different variations of the same thing to their patient? You are directing care. Is there some law in Medicare or or some some insurance company that says the patient's not to direct care? Do we do we know anymore about that? Speaker 2: Not that I know of. Speaker 21: Is the lawyer still around? Speaker 2: John, he's he's not a lawyer, but he's he went I'm not a lawyer. Don't insult me, please. Okay. He went to law school but got kicked out for not taking the bags. Speaker 8: No. What? You're kidding me. I was 50 I was 56 years old. I went to law school. I had a thirty something year career in semiconductor research, mostly in sales marketing of large large contracts. But, yeah, I went to law school for a year to figure out how to sue the government over the mask mandate, which I had going then. Now I got kicked out of law school for not getting the vaccine. They didn't rule on my religious exemption one way or the other. They unenrolled me before the registration deadline and never ruled on my, on my religious exemption, denied or allowed, and, never they just stopped communicating with me. So that's a contract, big contract violation. So I have that lawsuit. But yeah. No. So I'm not a lawyer, but, what was the question, about law? Was was there a question? Or Yes. Yes. So, Speaker 21: here's what, the question is. Throughout this country, doctors have been telling patients or patients' wives, wives, you are trying to direct medical care. Now, the answer to that is yes. That's exactly what I'm doing because that's what I'm supposed to do. Right? Doctors give advice, not mandates. Patients either follow the advice or don't. And and, it is not unusual for patients to not wanna follow the advice. It's not unusual for patients to ask for a second opinion. But all of a sudden, we've got this statement. You are following you're trying to direct medical care. And when so I'm assuming that somewhere, some insurance company is pulling that string. Speaker 2: But I don't know. It's a good question, though. Speaker 8: Well, I mean, there are laws to say who's who's got the, you know, if it's a partner and you don't have, like, the medical proxy and stuff like that, you know, who who's in charge of you when you're incapacitated? If they'll if that's not written down, then your partner has say, and they should do what that person says. And there's been cases where women have killed their husbands or, you know, husbands have killed their wives by directing the doctors to not, not save them. And in those cases, sometimes, you know, the doctors step in. It's their injunctions happen. These are all there's no cut and dry law here, when it comes to saving somebody's life. A lot of it comes down to equitable matters. So that's not a matter at law. It's a matter in equity, which means you're gonna try to get a, mandamus or a an injunction to to either do something or stop something from being done to somebody. And you can get those within twenty four hours. You get a max parte. You can stop something from being done to somebody. Point. Speaker 21: Somebody's holding a gun to the hospital. I think that somebody is an insurance company. I think the insurance company is probably Medicare, because, if Medicare stops paying you, pretty much every hospital in the nation would go bankrupt. Speaker 8: Yeah. I agree with that. That that's exactly what's happening. Speaker 21: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So now the the question is, where in the law does Medicare get that kind of power, and and how can we, get that law changed? Now I have congressman Stubbe. He's willing to, he's willing to change the law if we if we can find out where it is in the law. It's you know? But that's what we're looking that's that's that's what I'm looking for. So if you run across it, please please please let me know. Speaker 8: I I I don't have the full thing. It's it's not one law. It's a complicated scheme of laws that call each other. I I don't I don't know the whole thing, but the CARES Act is part of it. And the, cms.gov, bureaucracy, what do you call it? The Administrative Procedures Act gives them power to do stuff, to incentivize or pull money back. So a lot of it comes from CMS. You know, like the, incentivizing the baricitinib and the remdesivir, incentivizing people being put on ventilators or COVID being put on death certificates. That would be the the carrot for the hospitals to to do what they did. Now you're you're talking about a stick where they would threaten to not pay stuff if somebody doesn't do what they say. I'm sure that that's part of it too. So I would start with CMS. Is CMS a series of laws or just No. No. It's a it's a yeah. I mean, I can't remember it. What does the acronym mean? Does somebody know? Speaker 2: I did. I forgot. Speaker 8: It's, Speaker 5: shoot. Speaker 2: Center for Medicare Medicaid Services. Yeah. Yep. Speaker 6: So it's definitely center center for Medicare and Medicaid Services. So it's definitely coming from from them. It is it is a series of incentives, and I believe it actually when we finally dig down to the bottom of it, it's it's not just the incentives, but also all of the waivers that were put in place during the pandemic, and they actually have continued those waivers since. But those I've looked at them a little bit. They are so convoluted and complicatedly written that unless you understand how it should normally work, you it's just it's it's almost impossible to understand how these waivers will create changes. But I do believe that a lot of it is driven by by those waivers where suddenly what was a normal safety feature is waived. And, they have been continued so long as there is a public health emergency. So any public health emergency, and they are still being continued. But we are definitely going to go follow down that rabbit hole. It's probably going to take us a very long time to do that, but, I I know myself and quite a few other people are definitely going to go there. We'll figure it out sometime. But yeah. And we'll need all the help we can get understanding it. Speaker 8: Isn't it isn't it funny, Catherine, that nobody really knows? I've never met anybody. I know few pieces of it, but the whole thing, I don't I don't get where it all comes from. Speaker 21: Yeah. You'd need a hospital biller. Speaker 6: We're we're getting we're finding some. And and we're gonna I mean, we're we're gonna we we just started. Just I just started working on a on a on a method of doing, and I'll have to talk to you, John, in a little bit. But, I see a pathway how we can start to begin to unravel it from our side of things. Speaker 2: So You know who would know would be AJ De Priest. Speaker 6: Yeah. AJ AJ. I have to call AJ and bring her in on this too. But, yeah, I mean, she's got such an amazing white paper on what the incentives were from Medicare. And I think and and she also, has the the waivers, but it's how does what we saw happening in the hospital, the actual actions of the doctors and the nurses, how does that interplay with that? How can we find where they actually committed that fraud? Because it it's it's clear there's fraud here. It's clear that they were following the procedures for money. I because as doctor Gervonti said, I mean, it is how is it that it's all over the country all at once, all the same? It's it's literally the same verbiage being used in these in these, records. It's it's insane that they've done this, and it's so consistent. There must be something systematic happening. And the all and and the only thing that makes sense really is CMS, because even even a nongovernmental insurance wouldn't have that kind of coverage. Only something that was federal could could do that kind of incredible, consistency across the country. Speaker 2: I'm I'm emailing her so she can jump on or text her. Speaker 1: Yeah. I totally agree, though. CMS has to be the root of a majority of this. Nate has his hand up. Go ahead. Speaker 11: Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much for allowing me to speak within a space that I probably am not ready for or, a question too. I'm from The UK. I don't know where you guys are from. I always jump into spaces when we speak about the, the efficiency of the effectiveness of jabs there and here within. Fo focus on, the flu like nonresponse from the jabs and for flu and for cold. That is my only representation that I will share with you. Focus focus on the nonimmune system that cuts itself off, which it always normally cuts itself on. That is all you have to look at, and you can move forward with that. Thank you for the space. My name is Nick. Lovely to meet you. God bless. Speaker 2: Mhmm. Thank you. Yeah. That's a jabs are a whole another ball of wax. Speaker 1: We have welcome the eagle on. He's done a lot of research into bears and how bears is, taking he's they're just deleting accounts now. So he might wanna speak to that. Speaker 11: Well, you have to look you have to look at the sorry, guys. I'm interrupting. Again, one more time. This is my last time. Yeah. What what when the data is presented and you have data scientists and data engineers that are using the data and they are producing outputs, when you work with the data set, a million plus, you will always have maybe a 100,000 or 75,000 strong elements in which you would then lead yourself to believe to move forward with and you'd focus on those. What's happened with the data that's come back through again, I I really I I I I'm not the man that's saying don't take the jab. I'm not I'm not that man. But when you look at the information, it's and you can engage with it, especially with The UK, UK, France, Germany, Austria, Belarus, Romania, New, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, when you've got everything that which we're told to believe it's fully transparent. When you can use that data America is not involved. America is fucked up. I don't know where you guys are from. If you guys are from America, I don't know what you guys are doing over there, but it doesn't work with with with the agent association. So when you put this data into consideration and and you move through it and you see the patterns and then you start doing the ages and you start doing, if healthy or autoimmune, I would like to ask one single question. Did anybody know about any single child that had an autoimmune disease five years years ago? No. Nobody knew it. And do you know why? Because nobody knew they had an autoimmune disease. I have psoriasis, by the way, which is also an autoimmune disease, which I was at risk. Lucky for me, I could, say no to the job. Anyway, that's my own honest opinion. But as you as you as you as you work through and you go through the different age groups and you start going through, oh, you are struggling with breathing. You are struggling with breathing. You are struggling with breathing. You are also struggling with breathing. And it and it canceled. I wanna I wanna say this in the most humane possible output as a as a 34 year old male that has researched and is a quantum physicist. My love is science. My love is the universe. It's not biology. So forgive me whether or not I might have a step in the wrong direction. But when you look at how the response and how it acted within the lungs and how the lungs then pushed up into the throat and then you have pneumonia and you start tracking it back, it's it's a questionable I think this is a this is a great opportunity. It's a questionable opportunity where you are able, as any of those who are interested with, educated, PhD, PhD, masters, however, could be somebody 17 years old in a call center that has spent three years looking at it. It's really important for each individual to question whether or not it is the right decision and is the right output. Those that believe with their mind, they can be. Most of us have those within our families, mothers, uncles, fathers. Okay. Those that have uncles or sisters or brothers or cousins that are on the on the, press, we can say, well, this is what we would like to present to you, and we would allow you to work with the information that you know. I, us, we will share with you information that you wouldn't normally get, and it's up to you to make the decision. I'm finding it difficult in this day and age where it's a generational fight man versus dad. It's a generational vegan versus nonvegan. It's a generational versus you read books, you're homeschooled. What what what happened to just being as an individual with love and compassion at our heart and those that we love and ones that we'd love to love? Why is there such a void here with that with that perspective? Again, that was I'm so sorry. That that was me saying, that I had to stop, but yeah. It's important, man. It's really important. Love and compassion is is is the most important aspect of a being. And I'll I'll I'll always make sure that I replicate that. Thanks for giving me your space. I agree. They've Speaker 2: put in some kind of mass psy ops or something to make divide us all. Speaker 1: And Well, that's why they mandated isolation and kept us apart from each other in every way they could funneled us onto online platforms that would be censored. You know? They they wanted to foster that that isolation and keep people from talking about what's going on. Right. So it's so obvious. Speaker 11: So obvious. What are you guys doing about it? You're doing nothing. You're happy to sit and be isolated. This is the issue. Right? Sorry. I'm interrupting again. I get if you cut me if you need to. Speaker 1: Have a To be fair to be fair, we're doing a lot about it. We we're organizing the the victims who have been subjected to these crimes against humanity, and we're we're doing everything we can to raise awareness about what's happened and to take action to ensure that they can never do this again. Speaker 11: Good. Which crimes, if you don't mind if you don't mind me asking? Speaker 21: Well, it looks like straightforward murder. Speaker 11: Yep. Yeah. Most of them. You could call it genocide, really. If if you were to, objectively take everything into consideration, you can call it genocide. Everything top down, you could do that. Speaker 8: In order to start an investigation, you wanna start with something like fraud and get into a grand jury on something like that. Speaker 11: If you can Well, what from murder right away, the Why would why would you want a grand jury? Why would you want a grand jury that where the the judge is paid and a part of and has got to go the judge because of association with monetary aspects. Those monetary aspects are then part of congress. Those congress parts of the money. If you if you break it all down, I just I you guys are probably already fully aware of it. I'm a u I'm I'm from The UK. You guys are probably mostly from America or Canada. If you if you if you just go up the food chain, like, four, like, four steps, you you're only four steps away between seeing Vanguard and BlackRock are in control. So whoever whoever whoever is a CEO or CFO or CPO of of Vanguard or BlackRock, whatever they want, the rest of the world follows. You can watch it. And it's legally, Yeah. You can just follow it. It's not conspiracy. You can follow it. It's so easily available. And it's really difficult, especially when you speak to, people that are maybe 55, 60, 65 plus. You know? Like, my mother, the the the the sons because they grew up with their grandfathers or, you know, gone to World War two. And they're like, well, of course, everything that they were told, we need to believe because everything they did beforehand, it's made well for us. We don't have to do rations with soap anymore. Like, it's one it's one generation. It's one generation down. And the and the generation above us, whether it's not you guys, like I said, I'm I'm 30. The generation above don't get it. They're in limbo. And the generation for us is like, well, we are the generation to help our children, by the way. We are the gen we are the generation to help our children. So any one of single any single one of you have children, life is not gonna be what you had going from 14 to 21. It's gonna be a lot worse. It's gonna be a hell of a lot worse. Speaker 2: Unless we stop it. And that's who's not there. And that's who's stopping it. Above 50 because, there's quite a few of us on here that are I'm thinking John and I are about to be like, what? Speaker 11: Yeah. Well, you can do early fifties. Early fifties would definitely definitely engage at the same point, 100100%. Plus 60 plus 60, is what I would call the generation above. Anything less anything less than 60 is our generation. Yeah. Our gen our generation is, being a part of something which we've not had before, and we're we're in introducing this generation into a child. What the it depends how much time you spend with your child, how much screen time you give for the child, what do you do with it. It's, it's it's a big change. It's it's probably the biggest change in developmental aspect for a generational perspective for a hundred and fifty years. And it's so and and it's okay to realize that, and it's okay not to be on point with it every step of the way. Speaker 1: And that's another reason they they insisted on the lockdowns, right, to to funnel children onto online virtual learning platforms. Speaker 11: Fuck them up. They fuck them up. They fuck them up. I've got I've got two I've got two nephews. One is six, one is three. Both of them, went from super smart, super building, super engineering to nothing apart from going on a app on their on their mother's iPad to pretend that they know what four times eight is. Speaker 1: It's chilling, isn't it? It's chilling how how well that strategy worked because they children still haven't reverted back to pre pandemic normal. Speaker 11: They never will. They they it's it's a train line. You know, like if you're on a train and somebody just pulled the lever and you went from a train going a to b, now you're going a to c. And it happened very superbly. If you look at how how they did it, it was fantastic. Really. If that if that's what they wanted to do, it was unbelievably smooth. Really smooth. Smooth. Yeah. Speaker 2: Yep. Thank you for your your input. I see doctor Witcher is on as well. Anybody else have their hand up? Chelsea, I can't hear you. Speaker 1: There are no hands up at the moment, but there are a few speakers who haven't had a chance to speak. We have welcome the Eagle and Jenny. Speaker 2: And and I think and doctor Wich are on still? Speaker 8: So Albert actually was a medical coder, or with Biller. Sorry. Biller. He knows a lot about the codes too, so he might have some insight into cms.gov. Speaker 20: Yeah. Go ahead, Albert. Speaker 23: Yeah. So, yeah, I was a a medical biller extraordinaire, HMO claims auditor. Speaker 8: I work Speaker 1: Oh, we lost you. Speaker 23: Can you hear me? Yeah. Now I can hear you now. Go ahead. Oh, that's weird. It went it, okay. That's cool. I was saying, yeah, I've, medical biller for a long time. And, since the, pandemic here, I've, created, bearsaware.com, and I've been following the various database now. And, but, yeah, I I know a lot about, billing. And to the doctor's, question, I asking about how these, how these rules come down. I'd have to I'd have to do some research on that, but, you know, I you know, in my twenty six years of medical billing or since 1996, you know, I saw the handcuffs come on to the physicians, and how, you know, it started with the, you know, well, the managed care and the Obama the Obama, medical stuff. But, really, really, I remember, you know, with Part c Medicare, managed care. And around that time, which was also around 2015 when the ICD codes went from ICD nine to ICD 10. And then around that same time, Medicare was doing this 2% reimbursement sequestration, they they would call it. So every time you got a payment from Medicare, you'd see this 22% Speaker 11: Were you a nurse? Speaker 23: No. I was a a medical biller. Speaker 11: A med so you're an administrator? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. So so you you just mentioned about all these different health care aspects? Speaker 8: Yes. Speaker 23: How I kinda saw the the physicians getting handcuffed in and I say that tongue in cheek, but how how everything kinda got standardized. And I was sorry to talk about the 2% sequestration. Speaker 11: Can can I ask? And and you said in terms of standardized? I I'd be really interested to know what was standardized compared to what you expected to do versus the new standardized aspect. Could you tell us about something? Speaker 23: Yeah. Just from my, particular point of view, as a biller, I remember, like, in the days of the ICD nine code and there was, at that time, like, 7,500 diagnosis codes, and you would, maybe break a break a toe and do a X-ray on your toe or your foot, and you'd you'd send in your insurance claim. The physician would send it in and say, I got a broken toe with the ICD nine code. And then the ICD 10 codes rolled around, and then you had to tell them Speaker 11: what to it was. Not the question. My question to you was, did you find it more difficult with the change in health care versus your administration that you said you've already that you're doing? Yeah. Absolutely. I found it more, Speaker 23: difficult. And, I think that's part of the reason why all of these independent physicians couldn't run their own office anymore, couldn't do their own billing, and then, you know, couldn't keep their doors open and then had to go work for a hospital. My god. You know, the ICD 10 codes wasn't easy for anybody, let alone the hue humongous change. It was a humongous change in in billing software, in EMR software. What? And and that's where I I'd segue into that, Medicare 2% sequestration. That was the stick. That was the stick, but the carrot was they were doing that because they said, oh, we're going to electronic medical records. And if you get your get your, billing and your your, your paper charts onto EMR, will give you your 2% back and a 2% bonus. So they'll give you back 4% if you remember that. Speaker 11: I do. I do. I do very much so. Speaker 23: Yeah. So through all of that and through the change of the ICD 10 codes, then the, and with the change of the ICD to the ICD 10 codes, they really revamped the Speaker 11: national the NCB codes, the national coverage determiners. If if I'm gonna be completely honest with you, you have not spoken about a single patient that you look after. Not a single patient. Speaker 2: No. No. Not at all. This is Okay. He's a he's a biller. He's a biller, Nate. And please send him yeah. Thank you. Speaker 23: Yeah. I just just go on Why is he too surprised? How they tightened up the ship. They made it harder to do billing to get you know, for physicians to get paid, basically, getting your insurance claims denied because you didn't have the right codes on there. And, so, anyways, I mean, that that was my that was my shtick, as an HMO claims auditor. For a while there, I was on the other side of the of the company of the business receiving claims. Like, here in San Jose, California, I was receiving, physician claims seeking reimbursement from, like, Stamford Hospital, the hot the the the hotshots at Stamford, the ER. They would send they would send me in, claims because I was managing, Health Net Pearl, senior advantage plans, the blue the the Medi Medi, BlueCare, Blue Cross Medicare, you know, senior advantage plans. So, you know, one of those patients were seen at, at at Stanford. And even in the ER, they come in the ER, you would think, oh, that's automatic. And I would I would deny I would have to deny some of the the ER claims because, oh, the the, you know, the code that they gave me, the ICD 10 code that they gave me wasn't on the list. So it was like, oh, I, you know, denied. And it wasn't a denial. It's like a word salad. It was a request for medical records. Sorry. We're not gonna pay you. Can we get some records? Well, you know, the the statistics on that was like, it would be like a fifty fifty chance that I'd get the medical records back within 30 I'd get to say, oh, that's timely filing. Sorry. You didn't follow the rules. And that was the ugly game with the billing game. But, anyways, I I sorry to digress. I didn't wanna get in don't wanna get into, like, the my the billing stuff. But the That's very important. Oh, yeah. Well, thanks. Thanks. Yeah. It's just how I saw how I saw it happen. And then the other thing, you know, if I think the people in The United States would be frightened if you guys realized how much of our billing, our medical, our, provider, patient health information, PHI, our medical records are actually in or accessed by India because so much some of the biggest medical billing companies in The United States basically farm out to to, India. So I giggle when I hear the word HIPAA. Like, oh, secured, you know, secure and, confidentiality and private. That's funny because our our records are all over. You know? It's it's a pipeline to India, or they can access this our our records. Not that they're doing anything wrong or doing anything like that. I'm just saying it is so wide open. Speaker 8: But, anyways Speaker 2: The the only part is interesting because, I mean, you know, they're doing this for money. The only part that I've ever heard talk about John, so I'm sure this is right up his alley. Yep. Speaker 23: Oh, yeah. I get yeah. Me and John, John's Batman, and I'm and I'm Robin. We hang out together. And and we we hang in the same circles. And I gave John my I gave John my my my 2015 I ICD 10 code book in PDF first edition, you know, to help him out with the with the diagnosis codes if he needs it. But, Speaker 8: anyways My mic was on. I didn't even know my mic was on all this time. Speaker 23: Oh, your mic was off. Alright. Well, you haven't said anything. Speaker 8: I know. You're not. So you're good. I went to I went to put it on, and I'm like, oh, it's been on the whole time. Oh. Yeah. If I can Speaker 23: What was the question? Was there was there I I heard my name. Oh, no. I was I was just saying that I know you, JB. Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, the only person I hear talk about ICC's end codes is John. So y'all probably and he goes, yeah. We talk all the time. Yeah. The there should be, Speaker 8: I don't know if you guys wanna talk about it, but there there should be an analysis of the codes and how to use them. They're they're not they made too many codes. And by making too many, the fallback position for a lot of, the, either the medical examiners, if it goes to a medical examiner or the doctor attending at a time of death who also fills out death certificates, what they do is they just they choose the dot nines, which are unspecified, instead of being more specific like pneumonia unspecified. Whereas they could choose bacterial pneumonia, and they could further choose under bacterial pneumonia, staphylococcus, streptococcus, or another bacterium. And it gets more and more detailed. A lot of those detailed, codes were never used, but sometimes they are used. When they are used, then now you go to do data analysis. It's like, are are you including it or not? Now why am I using this one over here in the corner? And then the codes that that that are so the central point of failure is the CDC. They have software called Transacts and Acme, and those two programs kinda combine to apply the codes to the death certificates that the medical examiners and doctors, they write English words on death certificates. Those English words are put into a spreadsheet. The spreadsheet goes to the CDC from the state in general. And then, you know, Nate's going crazy with thumbs down or something. I don't care. Anyway, they go to the the CDC. The CDC applies the codes using the software. And, I'll give you one example that, Aaron Hertzberg found in Minnesota. This this was a good one. For some reason, the doctor, instead of writing COVID vaccine, he wrote the COVID shot. It was coded as a gunshot a gunshot victim. So the I the ICD 10 code applied by the software was that the guy died from a gunshot. He didn't die from a gunshot. He died from the COVID vaccine shot. Speaker 2: Right. Speaker 8: They just read the word the the software read the word wrong. And others like bone and reticular cartilage is like a c four. Cancer is a c four one, whereas bone and bone marrow is a c seven nine, and they're very different. But the if the if the medical examiners in Minnesota are writing, like, the certain words, and in Massachusetts, they're writing certain words, but they they really mean the same cause of death, like bone marrow cancer. But they wrote it differently in different places. The software is picking it up and coding it completely different. So it it's a mess that that as far as deaths go. Now for the the medical billing, it's very precise for diagnosing living people with with what they get. That's different. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about death certificates. Speaker 22: Mhmm. Speaker 8: And the the death certificates, it's a mess. And you have to look at it regionally because you have to understand the custom and practice of the individual locations. When it's for for living people, that that's that's a completely different topic I'm not talking about. Speaker 9: Yeah. Speaker 2: John is just a plethora of information. Okay. So I know you said you had to to leave soon, but, we can get your book on and the paper on, the Real CBC. Speaker 8: Yeah. Tagrealcec.com. The Real cbc.com. Speaker 18: And, like, the pen and then Speaker 2: Is it a preorder? Is it already in published? Or No. It's it's preorder. Speaker 8: The book designer should be done, like, now. I haven't heard from him, but, once he's done, then just kinda look it over and it goes to print, and then fulfill it. So it's gonna be at least two weeks before the first first shipping goes out. Okay. We can't wait. I know. I'm ordering it right now. You can't wait. I I wrote it in May. Right? Speaker 2: I wrote it in May. May. I know you've been working on it in a long, long time. It's got a lot of good information. I'm ordering the even if I'm not loyal, I'm ordering the Take this opportunity Speaker 23: to to let, American granddaughter know of, these dead Pfizer trial patients that were deleted out of the VAERS system. I saw that. Good. Good. Every I mean, all the people I'm trying to get it to everybody. I got it. I went to Brooke Jackson first because she was the one that actually asked me one day, like, hey, Albert. Is there any, is there any trial patients in the system? Any dead ones or anybody? You know, just any trial patients. And I said, you know, that's a good exercise. I've always wanted to do that. But now that you asked, let me let me rake the coals and and find them. And they were I found them, but they were deleted. Mhmm. There's, like, 15 of them. Not not all dead. There's, like, two or three of them that are dead, but there's, like, 15, trial patients altogether that have been deleted. So, you know, I thought, gosh. That's gotta be important or maybe a little ammunition for, AG Ken Paxton or something. It's like Yep. Because I really believe, and I've been saying it. I've been shouting it from the rooftops that I think that VAERS is running cover for or not VAERS. CDC and FDA are running cover for big pharma, and they're and they're entrusted to to to maintain VAERS, but they're doing the exact opposite and manipulating VAERS. VAERS could be a great system. VAERS is a damn good system as it is, but it it could be a phenomenal system if it wasn't for the administrators themselves the data. Speaker 2: Yep. But the attorney sent that to me today, that information, and, they're like smoking gun. Speaker 23: Yeah. Awesome. Because I really think, like, somewhere I don't know how, but somewhere in that in that 1996 prep packing, you could see because I posted in the purple pill. It's I said, you know, I'm look you know, whatever. Pfizer's deleting, or no. One of those ones that I put in there. I'm looking for a good attorney and for it to bring down the NCBIA act of 1986. And in there, I show that it's like, hey. Wait a minute. They the government is obligate one of one of they're obligated in that 1986 prep prep act to to, ethically maintain this pharmacovigilance tool we now know as VAERS. So what happens when they aren't when they're, like, they're they're running scams, and they've been running scams. So somehow in there, I gotta believe, like, hey. You did not, uphold your obligation. What's more, you were nefarious and fraudulent, so, therefore, we gotta, you know, we gotta repeal the liability shield or something. That's that seems fair. Yep. Speaker 2: You see you You hearing this, Catherine? We got another project? Yeah. Oh, no. No. No. I need I need details. I need to log to right there. It says it so anybody can go to the Yeah. I've got the document. Yeah. Speaker 6: Also, can you hear I won't anybody hear me? Speaker 23: Moan on any further. I'm glad I got you that information. Speaker 2: And Yep. I'll send it to you, Catherine. Cool. Speaker 23: Alright. I don't wanna take up take up all your guys' time. Thank you for letting me speak. Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I just heard somebody interjecting, asking if we could hear them. Who was that? I think it was Catherine. Speaker 18: Yeah. It was Catherine. No. I just wanna do you mind if I go right now, CT? Speaker 2: Yeah. Go ahead. Speaker 18: Sorry. I just wanted to tell Albert, like, I've been a transcriptionist medical transcriptionist since about '92. So, prior to what you noticed in in your billing practice, they were we started, the industry of medical transcription started sending, transcripts, or what am I trying to say? The dictations over to India because they they cut up they cut us out because, companies would pay, you know, 2¢ a line to our 13¢ a line for the line of type. So that's that was the precursor to what you're we're seeing now. So it it's been compromised a good long time. And by the way, you worked at my I used to live in San Jose when Diana Ross asked for directions on how to get there. So Speaker 23: Awesome. Well, cool. Speaker 2: Really good information tonight. Awesome. Awesome. Let's see. I thought I saw WEDG has their hand up. Yeah. Go ahead. Speaker 24: Hi. I just wanted to respond to the question that the physician, asked about the changing in policy for Medicare. I'm a private psychoanalyst. My husband was a victim of the remdesivir, protocols. But aside from that, in North, in the Northeast, we've changed the hospitals have changed to a system called the EPIC system. And part of that is Is there data or is it me? Speaker 1: That's just you, John. Yeah. Sorry. WDDG. Speaker 24: Go ahead. Oh, that's okay. My name is Sherry. Sorry. So the way that Medicare bills now is if these practices are using, laptops or, you know, the Apple iPads when you go into their office. What they're actually doing is following the Medicare protocols that are now governed by an AI system. And if those physicians or hospitals don't meet 85% of the recommendations of the AI treatment plans, then they lose their reimbursement. So I'm pretty sure you can find that on the, Medicare website. But just to give you that information for the doctor who asked the question about why the billing practices or why, you know, how the health insurance is influencing the doctor's decisions and the hospital's decisions. So it would just be an area to look into. Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We really appreciate that. Catherine? Speaker 6: Yeah. No. That's that's that's great. I should that's what you just said there, Sherry. I I've do you have any, more, knowledge on what it might be called, what I should be looking on for the CMS that they have to follow 85% to to get billed Speaker 9: to get that name and type of thing. Well, Speaker 24: in New Jersey, it's called the EPIC system. So, I'll ask one of the nurses that I work with. I have a private practice, but some of my clients are nurses. So I'll I'll find out if she knows, what that is, Catherine, and I could, I guess, DM you Speaker 2: or send it to you. Yeah? Okay. DM me. Speaker 16: So Sorry. Speaker 18: Epic is an EHR. It's an EHR. So you can do everything from that system, including transcription and, all patient care logging. Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, that's that's I'm just curious what that what that rule would be or where it is in has the Streck is finding where it is in EMS. But for Albert, I definitely definitely wanna connect with you offline, like, very soon because, the next response for Brooke's case is actually due, I think, next Monday. Catherine And that's exactly what I just sent you, Speaker 2: his his article or or, Speaker 6: Yeah. The ZIP code? It's something different, though. Did you get it? It's it's a it's a different question. Yes. Okay. Okay. Making sure. It's a different question for a minute. It's that question about, the trial participants having been in VAERS and then being removed. Yeah. I think That is Oh, yeah. I think that's what I just still sent you. I wanna talk. Oh, sure. Anytime. Speaker 2: I think I just sent you the the alert VAERS deletes dead Pfizer trial victims. Speaker 23: Yeah. I I put my, couple substacks detailing those things in in this little purple pill thing. Yeah. I got it through someone texted to me today, actually. Speaker 2: But I I just send it send it to to Catherine too. But, yeah, y'all definitely talk and get them. Speaker 25: Okay. Yeah. We got them. Speaker 2: A few people are having trouble hearing. I don't know why it's just Twitter spaces is so glitchy, but, John had to run. He wanted me to thank everybody for having him on, and he's always we wanna thank him for coming on. He's always a wealth of information. So, anyway, that's why he just dropped off. Take it away, Chels. Speaker 1: I think refuse the refuse the something truth truck hasn't had a chance to speak yet. You can go ahead. Speaker 22: Hi. I've just been actually listening, but there was a couple of, items that was mentioned by, Nate earlier, a a friend from UK. By the way, can everybody hear me properly? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 22: Oh, okay. I was, just listening to the group's conversation. I lived in US. I'm a Canadian citizen. I don't live in Canada any longer. What my times the I noticed two very separate types of, the medical systems between Canada and US and which would be socialized throughout, you'd seen most of Europe as well. In The US as a as a patient, one of the items I noticed in billing as a practice in The US is if you go to see your GP or anything at the hospital, you would receive a CC billing as the patient. It was almost like it would be a cross referencing that the patient would be able to see this was the procedures. These are the billing items that is going your health care provider. If, not dealing with Medicare, Medicaid, I'm not sure how that works if there is a CC billing to, the patient. But in the private billing, you would always see that. In Canada, they don't have that. And you do do they have that in the in Europe. So there was never a a check and balance system ever instilled. One of the items that I've seen more than anything throughout the COVID and sort of US being very separate from the rest of the socialized medicine that you see in the rest of the world is what was going on when, the ventilator system came into play, remdesivir, which I think everybody understands how horrible that was, as to be used as a, I I don't I don't know if you'd call it a therapeutic or or whatever you would call that as. But it wasn't it was something that you would look at and you would say, we're we're doing this all wrong. But how is it that it just kept on getting pushed through, especially on The US side that when you're seeing things that aren't adding up, things aren't coming together. And we didn't there was the continuance of pushing these type of therapies or, or treatments to a COVID. Victor. When I look at it, the the unfortunately, what had happened through we've lost so many lives accordingly through mainstream media that there were so many people passing away from whether they called it COVID or if it was through treatments or maltreatment. What's the next item that would be very important if there was some type of a governmental, benefit to a hospital or to a practice if they were identifying people with COVID? And we and I think that, billion people understand this, or hospital management knows that there was a there was a benefit if there was a COVID if it was classified above COVID, case. But the people that if you're losing if, what I was trying to get to is other areas for everybody that's listening to look at, just start to get an understanding of what was really going on here and some of the things that maybe we're not understanding. There was a worldwide massive push for, treatment of COVID through as far as I'm concerned, there's a process that was, hurtful to the population, not helping the population. It wasn't to treat an issue. It was to give basically the the last rights if anybody ever had it. You look at there's a we have another industry called the insurance industry. Now that industry should have been significantly impacted throughout the year of 2020, 2021, 2022. But I've looked at companies in The US such as New York Life, Northwestern Mutual, MetLife, Prudential, Lincoln Mutual, MassMutual, State Farm, John Hancock, which I think is one of the largest Every one of those insurance companies had boom years in their premiums. How is that even possible? They they paid out more in dividends in those years than they've ever paid out before. Where did they get the money from? If you're losing your clients to an epidemic, to a pandemic, how is it possible that you could be paying out such high dividend amounts throughout those times when you're losing all these policyholders? Where was the money coming from? We have the same issue in Canada. How was it that in our insurance companies were paying out our, private our public insurance companies were paying out such huge dividends when we should when typically a life insurance company should have been losing their they should have been going bankrupt through the through life insurance payments that they would have had to pay to the policyholders. These death benefits. What happened here is there's another side of the story that I'm that I think that we're all being, shielded against of whether in, health insurance companies or hospitals were being paid to take care of a COVID case. What was going on also with the insurance companies for the loss of life of one of their policyholders for that death benefit? How were they being covered? And it's it's quite dramatic if you can look pretty much on any insurance company in The US and see that they never had a loss. They actually they paid out higher dividends to their shareholders that those years than ever before. It it doesn't even make sense. Things were so skewed back then. I I still remember NPR when back in 05/25/2020, the the year of, the summer of love, I think they called it in US. George Floyd passed away. But yet, he was considered a pod COVID positive. He tested positive for COVID. He was actually listed in in Minneapolis in Minnesota as an actual COVID death. I think they had six that day. He was listed as one of them. This this was and and there was a benefit to that. There was a payment just because he was listed as he had COVID. We we all know more or less what had happened through the through from looking from the Canadian side or from the European side. That's a lot of Canada now. But we saw what happened there, yet everything was being considered COVID. There was a benefit of Canada, just to give you an idea, was in nothing in comparison to The United States at the time, had a $600,000,000,000 deficit debt. Well, Canada is almost now to almost a $2,000,000,000,000 debt. We we can't account for $700,000,000,000. It seems to be being withheld from the Canadian public to understand where that money went in the last four or five years, a large group of peoples are actually believing, well, that went to pay off a whole bunch of COVID items, things that we're not allowed to find out about. And I'm assuming it's the same thing in The US. They they did in Canada and in US. They shelled out a couple shekels to, businesses to keep people working. They paid some people. They paid people to when they were sitting at home, so they had some money to still live off of because they were unemployed, because they, didn't take the shot or their state decided to close down their businesses and they couldn't go back to work. So there was there was a welfare system created to keep that going, but it doesn't seem to add up to the amount of money that actually left the the coffers of the whether it be the the treasury or or in Canada's case, the Bank of Canada. So I throw this out there to everybody that's listening that there's something more than that was just during the COVID of the horrendous amount of items that was going on, but it seemed to be so concerted. The US being very different from the rest of the world in being more of a privatized, medic medical versus a social medical system. And yet, it was still able to get through without people spending a lot of time to take a look because maybe there were payments going through. In Canada, we're completely, closed to all of this. It's almost impossible to find out the information that, if you went to a doctor today and it was just for a sore throat, you have no idea if he's billed you out, for a broken leg and x rays and blood work and yada yada yada. You have no idea. It's, it's all closed and you can never see your files anyways. In The US, I think you it's more open, but I think it was being set up a little bit closer to still very hard to find out what's going on. But one of the key factors is you just look at the life insurance companies. How is it with this global pandemic and so many deaths? How is it that there was, there was how did they make so much money? Anyways, I'd like to leave it at that. It's kind of conspiratorial. It's just a it's just something I've looked at, and I just wanted to throw that out there to, people that were listening. Speaker 1: Thank you so much for that. And it it does sound kind of conspiratorial because it was kind of a conspiracy when you have all these different orgs and governments and corporations all working together to achieve the same goals towards the same agenda. You know? I mean, that is the definition of conspiracy, so it's not really beyond the pale to call it what it is, I think. Andy, Luke, go ahead. Speaker 25: Oh, I was just, gonna get up here to listen, but, I mean, this the amount of evil that was just, like, during the initial stage of the rollout of all this, like, when COVID was going on, the so they basically kept everyone from being able to see their families, which you know, so that the the family couldn't speak out against this evil. You had the COVID protocol, which I may be wrong, and you guys can correct me on this. But what from what I understand about the COVID protocol is when you signed in to the hospitals, you basically couldn't get yourself out once you were in there. I could be wrong about that initial stage. But once you're in there, all they could basically do is just pump remdesivir, or that's all they could treat with. I believe another thing I heard was, like, your o two level had to be below, like, 80%. So, like, that's pretty significant. Like, that that's really, really low. And then I think I'm not sure if they could treat you with o two or if they could treat you know, or if they just did remdesivir because they basically a lot of the doctors who followed the incentives to get people on the ventilators wanted you to get on those ventilators. So it was literally just incentivized murder. And just the that, you know, that led to more of the the fear, which was which led to the push of the vaccines, which, you know, a lot of people around me took. I tried to dissuade people around me. I knew it was gonna be evil. I knew that the vaccines and the the whole COVID thing, I knew it was BS when it rolled out initially. I I followed, Infowars. Like, I I know you know, probably not the place for that here. I mean, I don't know. But I I knew I had prior knowledge. I knew about SPARS 2025, 2028. I knew that they were trying to do this early on. You know? And there was a lot of push for it. Like, they were we were talking about this in, like, 2015 about how all they need is some kind of medical mandate rollout, and that would get us to this point. You know? Yeah. It even caught me off guard, though, like, initially, you know, with the whole mask thing and stuff, but this is just evil, man. Absolutely evil. Speaker 1: And it's ultimately working towards devaluing the very value of life. Devaluing life, individuality, national sovereignty. Everything we've always held dear, suddenly, we see being diminished, and and they're kind of shifting the goalpost to to take us somewhere else. Anybody else want to say a few words? T bird, t money. I don't think you've had a chance to talk yet. You could go ahead. Speaker 15: Hey. How are you? Doctor Dufanti brought up a good point. I work with, a couple of the girls in here. We we have, like, a vax injury working group, and we, like, sit on our computers like nerds, and we kinda go through all the questions, like, the deep searches that where even though I'm vaccinated and there is a lot of vaccinated in the group, we were the thing that made me ponder initially when we were because we tackle everything in our heads, But, it was one of the first things I ever saw David l Martin say, and he had that huge conference. It was, like, right at the beginning. And it stuck in my head because he mentioned insurance in that conference. So we went looking, I'd say, a couple weeks ago, and, I found some really interesting documents, for the insurance companies that right before COVID, they went they were going digital, and they were gonna be able to, just take on multiple it's a huge article. I've already sent it to well, I don't know if I sent that one to John already. But, so, absolutely, there was definitely we've been saying this now, trying to speak out about it for quite a few weeks, but, definitely, they there was a catch. And then, Hippie suggested we look into workers' comp, and that one also, it's like, they had clauses. They all changed their policy and procedure right before COVID. So that's something we do have the documents. I'm just trying to track them down because I have so many. So, yeah, it was like they all changed their policy and procedures for Speaker 20: If you have those documents, could you email me? I will be on mute. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm happy to. Speaker 15: I have I know it's Canada, but, I, obviously worked with a lot of coroners, and I had a colleague of mine send me the reporting adverse events following immunization, the user guide to completion and submission of the AEFI reports. So that's the p hack for the coroner's guide, 37 pages. So I have that I I can email you too. Awesome. Thank you. K. That's all. Thanks. Speaker 1: Alright. Well, I don't see any hands up. Would anybody like to take the mic? Go ahead. Andy, I'm glad you could join us tonight. I wasn't sure if you were gonna make it. Would you like to say a few words about what you've been doing? Speaker 14: Yeah. How's it going, guys? I just wanted to say hi, and, you know, I I always love coming and chiming in to hear what everyone else is saying. And there was an administrator on this evening. I don't think he's on anymore, but that guy was super cool. And there were some other people that are new. And I love hearing your, your insightful words, and it's inspiring. And it's it's just great to come to places like this and hear the like mindedness. Sometimes, you know, you're out walking around doing your daily things, and you forget that, you know, you feel so unique. At least this happens to me. I'm not saying it happens to everyone, but I'll be out doing my thing, thinking about what we're talking about right now, looking around and, you know, people just going about their lives. And they're probably not thinking about any of this, you know. And you just can't walk up to strangers and be like, you're not gonna believe it. So coming to a a place like this where you can express yourself and, inform people, I think this is a great way to do it. So, I always love coming here. Thank you for having me. Speaker 1: Thank you, Andy. I'm so glad you could make it. Speaker 2: Andy, I missed you giving the rules tonight because you're they're so funny when you talk about the trolls. Speaker 14: Alright. I had to kinda wing it. Well, the, the trolls yeah. Yeah. I always I I always like to whenever we start our spaces, I always fire away some basic rules about, you know, if you're gonna be a troll, you have to be original. I want original material. I have to it has to be entertaining, you know? If you're if you're too serious, it's not fun, and it's we don't like that. So we we we make sure if you are a troll, you gotta, you know, original material, baby. You know? And then also, letting people know that, this is a recorded space and being mindful of what you say. And, you know, not just here, but in life in general, when you're out and about, look professional, act professional at all times. You know? If you got if you got nice hair, rock it. You know? If you don't have any hair at all, keep that head nice and clean, real shaved, like mil like military style. You know? Be proud of it. So that's how we are here. We're really proud of how we present ourselves. We love to have speakers. We love to hear people who are, that find out about us through, the Internet or whatever. And, don't be afraid to tell us your story, and don't be afraid to reach out. I have a website that I made about what happened to me, you know, and I've been really aggressive about it. And it's death@baylor.com. And it's, it's pretty rough stuff to read, but it pertains to what we're talking about. It's an executive summary about what happened to me and my family in a in American hospital on American soil. You know? So doing this if we do this, if we can continue this momentum and if we can continue to, raise awareness, like everyone's saying, everyone's saying it. I'm saying it too. Keep your finger on the pulse. Don't be afraid to tell your neighbor, hey. Don't go to that hospital if you had a bad experience. Don't stay silent. This is really not the best time to do that. And, you know, there's, if you look at the the socioeconomic geopolitical metamorphosis happening in The United States right now at every level from the highest level of government to your municipal level of government, there's a lot of confusion and chaos. And, people are losing their rights. We're losing our ability to have a voice in hospitals where, you know, doctors are taking care of us. And also our ability to, say what we want in a public forum, like when you go to a city council meeting, and sometimes the police escort you out because they don't like what you're saying. The Internet is kinda like the final stand, you know, the final frontier. Twitter x Elon Musk, who I think is an amazing freaking guy, has given us the ability to do this without having to worry about the stormtroopers coming to take you away. So can you tell I'm passionate about this, guys? You know, I love it. I'm loving it. But, when you do get a chance, though, check out my website, death@baylor.com. This is medical tyranny at its finest, and it's coming to a neighborhood near you if you don't speak up, k, and you don't fight back somehow. This is a great way to do it. So And I wanna remind people, if you are on here and you have not documented your your Speaker 2: story on our in our CHBMP, project, chbmp.org, that's a large searchable database where we're documenting all these stories. We have close to, I think, 13 or 1,400 now. The more we have documented, the better chance we have at winning and, getting attorneys to come forward and raising a public awareness. So whether you're it's a COVID protocol story of a loved one or yourself or a vaccine injure, injured story, any country, please go to chbmp.org. Get your story on the record. We fight diligently or look diligently for attorneys to pick up cases, work with Catherine, with freedom counsel, with their organizing attorneys to try to teach them how to how to do these cases. It's, you know, it's a difficult process. It's a costly process, But more and more attorneys are coming forward as they see cases being filed. We have about 60 cases, individual civil cases across the country, working with attorneys on filing three, criminal cases or at least asking the AGs to open an investigation. And then we have a large class actions, sued against Gilead for manufacturing remdesivir. So we have a lot going on in the legal areas. We offer support groups, seven nights a week. There's a total of about 15. If you need support, especially during the holidays, so it's really difficult, missing your loved ones, please come to those support groups. I promise you, you'll feel right at home and, really get something out of it. And, we just have a lot of projects going on. We just, released our cookbook, which is made up of, victims' recipes that are tied to memories of their loved ones. It's beautiful. You can find that on our website too. It's over 200 recipes, and each recipe has the name of the recipe, the name of the person who, was killed, and then a memory about that person in that recipe. So it's really it's a beautiful gift. That's something a beautiful keepsake, and you just help keep these people's memory alive. We still have our bracelets that says, allergic to Remdesivir. In case you go into a hospital, they can't give it to you. It's a medical legal directive. You can also find those on our website. We we tell a lot going on. So, go to chbmp.org or formerfedsgroup.org, and get your story on the record and get into some support groups, and we will, try our best to help you get justice in some form or another. Speaker 20: That's exactly right. Thank you so much, Deacon. I don't wanna put anyone on the spot, but I see loss of victims in the in the space tonight. So if you would like to talk a little bit about what happened to you, we would love to hear it. Just hit that mic. Whether your back's injured or protocol injured or the mandate disrupted your life or you know, I mean, everybody's been affected by this in some way. So we just wanna give everyone a chance to come forward and say a little bit about what happened to you. Alright. Well, that's why I didn't wanna put anyone on the spot. But like Cici said, we have we have hundreds and hundreds of stories at chbmp.org, and it's happened to so many people. I think, like I said, everyone everyone has been affected by this in some way. So there are just millions of victims out there, and we're trying to reach all of them to to make them many aren't even aware of what happened to them. They still don't know. They think they lost a loved one to COVID. So, raising awareness is really imperative. Andy Luke, I think you had your hand up a bit ago. Do you wanna chime in? Is there anything else? Speaker 25: Yeah. I, didn't I haven't personally been, you know, been through any of it. I've seen and heard stories that just they've tore my heart to shreds, man. It's just it's amazing to see this and to see, like it's just the the amount of evil that that was put out there from, you know, basically, these global groups, you know, that have infiltrated, you know, the World Health Organization, the NIH. These really it's basically a top down reigning tyranny on us all. But, I mean, I think it was health, where said that, you know, or something about, not being not talking to people about it in person, feeling weird. I tell everybody. Anyone who told me they took the vaccine or says something about their family member having potential symptoms about whatever, I'm like, did they take the vaccine? Did they I I don't I don't hold my tongue for a second. I've I've talked to everyone. I've been telling my sister she thinks I'm nuts. I don't even care. People need to speak up. Speak up. Do not stop ever. Get your name out there, man. Just fight. Let's get these bastards, man. Let's win. Let's go. Speaker 20: A 100%. Speaker 14: Absolutely. I like it. I like it very much. I like this guy. Well said, sir. Carol, Speaker 20: could you go ahead? Gotta unmute yourself. Speaker 12: Sorry. I didn't know you're talking to me. My phone was acting funny. My daughter had passed away due to COVID. She was vaccinated twenty days before. She was on a school trip. I had to pick her up in New York where the day after she tested positive for COVID, she went to an urgent care. Her blood pressure and everything is really weird. Like, it's I I posted it. But, anyways, they she went into cardiac arrest in the urgent care after waiting four hours, four to five hours. She was on ECMO for twenty days, where she passed away. But I just got her records from our old lawyers, and they were giving her remdesivir probably five days into her hospital. And, like, I just saw that out today. ASAP. I need your story ASAP. And and there's so many there's so much to be put up. Well, because we were we had a big lawyer here in Detroit where we live in Michigan, and they took a year to tell us that like, this happened in, 2022 in July. She passed away in August, August 6. She was 17, perfectly healthy, had a physical before she went. The only one in our family vaccinated due to this trip. Trip. We didn't want her to get vaccinated, but she wanted to go. It was for human rights. She wanted to be a little activist. So she went on the trip. The chaperones also, kind of waited too long to tell us. They waited a whole day. Like, we couldn't pick her up till the next day. It was a six hour ride all the way to Niagara Falls. And she had also get the mandate for Canada because they were in Toronto where we couldn't pick her up till they crossed the border. And then that was a whole day that we lost. It was also her brother's birthday, when she collapsed. So that and then the whole urgent care issue where they, in her records, it says, like, 30. Her oxygen level was, like, 30, and it was, like, red with explanation points. And that was before they that was when she was in the triage before she was even seen. That was, like, for her to go sit in the waiting room. So there's, like, medical issues with that hospital as well, not just the vaccine, remdesivir, because then she was airlifted to another hospital that gave her the remdesivir after she was on ECMO. Because her hands and everything were also in jeopardy of being amputated because they were black at this point. Like, the her story is crazy, so I don't even know where to start or where to go. Like, the pictures, they have pictures. I was on the Jason Levine show. Speaker 14: We have we have a lot of I'm sorry. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Speaker 12: Oh, I'm let me pause my mic. I think it's picking up my background. Speaker 14: That's okay. Well, Shanna, I I would love to, our group would or we're gonna try and reach out to you. We're gonna DM you and, try to get a dialogue going and then exchange information. We would love to stay in contact with you and help you in in any capacity that we can. We have a a lot of experts on our team, lawyers, doctors. So, we'll, we'll be reaching out to you. Thank you so much for sharing, and I'm very sorry that you had to go through that. Speaker 2: Sorry. So thank you. Well, I need your store I need your story for sure. Can y'all hear me? We we I need your story. Yeah. I can hear you. Because I'm working with a okay. I'm working with attorneys that are looking for people that got the jab and, got remdesivir and passed away within, sixty days. So I need to get to talk to you. If you could, DM me or email me carolyn Speaker 20: dot I can give her your your email address so she has that. Thank you. Thank you. We we had a previous lawyer. I'm sorry. We had a previous lawyer. Wondering who was based on Vera Bray's show? Speaker 12: I'm sorry. Can you say that again? Speaker 20: Somebody in the chat asked if you were recently on the Beba Bray show. Speaker 12: No. We actually weren't allowed to talk about Speaker 20: I see. Sorry. Go ahead. Speaker 12: My I'm sorry. My, connection's bad, so everybody's breaking up. I'm gonna reset it so I can just hear what everyone's saying a little bit because what you had said, I totally broke up. So let me just exit and come back in. Speaker 20: I see that Walmart has joined. I don't know if it's my, like, Okay, Shannon. I sent you, my no. Baker, you could go ahead. Speaker 9: Can you hear me? Speaker 20: Yep. Speaker 9: So, I'm coming up on my two years, that they murdered my husband, Wednesday. Two years, Wednesday. And, he had COVID for about eight days, and then we, sent him to the hospital. His oxygen level was, in the eighties, but his heart rate was really, really high. His dad is a respiratory therapist, and he had come over that morning with, some oxygen tanks. Once he's seen his his heart rate being so high, he said he needs to go to the hospital. So he went. His dad took him and, took him to his little hospital. It's pretty small. It's it's in Phoenix, and it, basically, they just kinda treat them and release them or send them to their sister hospital, which, they did. They had to shock his heart and get it back on rhythm. But I, got to the hospital. My father-in-law sent me in the back door and talking to my husband afterwards. They just had, like, a little nose cannula, oxygen on his nose. He was he was good. I they were gonna transport him over to the other hospital, and I went to go get him something to eat. And whenever I was gone, they were I had put him in my ambulance to transport him. And I followed the ambulance over to the other hospital. And that's where, basically, they told me you're you gotta tell him, bye. You're not gonna be able to see him anymore. I think I sat out in the parking lot for about a hour and just cried. But there again, I still you know, I didn't know kind of what was going on, just the regulations of, you know, COVID. That was on a Monday, December 6 and, December 7. My son got, flew in from Texas, and he went to the hospital and seen his dad for about five minutes just to take him a blanket. And my husband was texting us and telling us he wanted something to drink. And, you know, there again, I wasn't sure what was going on. I thought, well, he just maybe he's not understanding, you know, that we can't be in there. He just wants to see us. But he is basically like a like he was in prison because we had to take this, Gatorade and Sprite up to the front admin desk, tell him what room he was in, and, leave it there. At that time, we couldn't see him. I would just call and ask, you know, how his stats were, all kinds of stuff. And then he got moved on a different floor, and we were be able to see him through the window, which I don't know if that was a good thing or a bad thing because it was hard looking at him, you know, seeing him in the window, but then and then him seeing us, you know, wanting to be out of there. I think he was in there about five days, and my father-in-law, he had told me, he said, why don't you try this? Why don't you try bribing the nurses or doctors with donuts? Maybe they'll let you in to see him. And I did. I took two dozens of donuts in there. I had two masks on, and I his nurse actually let me go in there and see him. I was in there for about three hours. And, I mean, that's one of the crazy things too is because all this time, I'm not able to see him. The nurses, you know, yelled at my son, told him get out. What are you doing in here? But donuts, you know, it didn't matter. You know? COVID COVID didn't care, when donuts were around, I guess. And, I remember, you know, I asked him. I said, have you had a sponge bath or anything? He hadn't. His hair was really oily. And we were together for thirty years, and, he needed to go to the restroom. I went in into the bathroom and was letting him call the nurses, and I could hear him yelling a little bit, and they never nobody ever showed up. I can't run out, and he's like, no. Nobody ever came in. So I said, you know, like, I'll help you. And I know that that was really, really hard for him because, I mean, you're very vulnerable at that state, and he had diarrhea. And, I remember helping him, you know, put the bedpan underneath him. I turned to the sink. I'm running some hot water. You know, even at that, I'm thinking, how sanitary is this? Running hot water in a, you know, in, like, a pan for him to wash his hands. He dropped the washer egg on the, you know, floor, and he's apologizing. You know? It's it was it broke my heart. Here, he's apologizing for dropping the washer eyes on the floor that, you know, he had just wiped his stuff with. And his oxygen level was, like, 96. That was a Friday, and, I had only talked to a doctor one time, a cardiologist on the phone. The second day, they wanted to put him on a ventilator, and I told him no. They so he was just basically on the a BPAP machine. Never asked, you know, about remdesivir. Nothing. We never discussed anything. He never told me anything. After a little bit, you know, he quit texting or talking. I didn't know if his, you know, phone had died. They put it up. You know, I didn't I didn't really know at that time, but I was just like, you know, he's resting. He doesn't feel like talking, so I didn't, you know, think too much of it. The cardiologist my kids were sitting outside one day, and the cardiologist came to the window and said, you know, like, his heart went in his heart. You know, it did, like, you know, a thumbs up. Like, his heart's good. And my husband even, like, fist bump. Sunday rolled around December 8, and my son is sitting outside watching the TV with his dad. You know? They're watching the Cowboy's game, just bumping everything. I come later. We're outside. You know? And, he see he that was probably the best I've seen him look. He was actually sitting up in the bed, stretching, seemed really, really good. And then at midnight that night, we got a call. He better get up here. His oxygen dropped. And, they said he had had an accident in the bed, and they were going to clean him up. And he got really, combative with them. They put him over on his chest, and, when I when we got there and here and now they're letting six of us go in. All this time, nobody's the six of us, so I can just imagine in his what he's thinking, what the hell is going on? Six of my family members are here. And, they're wanting to take him off of his stomach and do a X-ray because they thought maybe he had, you know, thrown a blood clot or something. So we step outside, and then when we could hear them in there yell he's yelling. They're, you know, yelling the nurses and stuff and, myself, my father-in-law, and my brother-in-law go in, and he's trying to stand up. You know? He's fighting. And one of my friends who's a nurse or he was almost a doctor. Anyway, he told me he said basically, he feels like he's drowning. You know? He's wanting to stand up and just fight. He's drowning. And, Johnny, I go in there and I'm trying to talk to him, telling him, you know, just calm down. So getting back into bed, his kids come in and we're talking to him, and his vitals are all over the place. Like, his, oxygen was low. His heart rate was high. His blood pressure was high. It starts calming down. I'm singing to him in his ear, just singing to him, and he is just starting to, you know, kinda just get really relaxed. His father at that time realizes his oxygen or his BPAP, his mask is way too small. It's like for a child. All this time, you know, we couldn't really tell. He kept messing with it. You know, we could see him messing with it, but we just you know, he didn't like it. So the my father-in-law asked them to bring him another one, asked the other respiratory therapist to bring another one so he can change it out. I don't think she liked it too much, him telling her what to do because she comes in there and she just throws it on my husband's chest. Doesn't open it, hand it to him, you know, anything. And I'm thinking how, you know, like, how long do we have? Do we have three minutes, five minutes? Is it, like, instant? Once they take that mask off, how, you know, how much time do we have? And he gets on his face, and like I said, I'm singing to him, getting him just very calm. His kids kids are right there, you know, holding his hand, talking to him. And I don't know what the body you know, what happens to the body, but, he was kinda feeling a little cold and clammy. And I don't know. I've heard it's like shock. But they one of the nurses asked me, she said, do you wanna we we can do comfort care. I didn't know what that meant. I said, what, you know, what what does that mean? Or she said we could take off this mask. And I said, well, what's comfort care? And she goes, well, we can make him comfortable. And I said, okay. I'm okay with making him comfortable. Yeah. But leave his mask on. I told her to leave his mask on. And, I guess, you know, that's when they were coming in there and giving him morphine. After the I'll back up. They were giving him morphine, and, you know, he's like I said, he was calming down, us talking to him and saying to him, but his ultimately, his blood pressure just bottomed out. And, you know, we had to you know, we witnessed that. You know, hearing other people said they didn't even say goodbye, I don't know what's worse. Not, you know, getting to, you know, say it or say it because that image has been planted in my head forever of fighting and for this went on for four hours. Four hours, we watched. Four hours, the nurses just stood up against the wall with their arms crossed. Later looking at the, looking reading the medical records. The very first day, they gave him morphine, but no. Narcan. I think he had was on, like, 38 different medications. And I could tell he had lost weight, but I didn't realize it's 35 pounds. Only in seven days seven days, he lost 35 pounds and seven days. Yeah. I've never seen any food in there, but, you know, thinking, okay. He's getting nutrients from the, you know, from his IV bags. But, you know, then kind of research and stuff and then even reading the medical records later, the doctor who's said nothing by mouth for seven days. And I was like, why would you say that? That's usually, you don't get anything by mouth because of surgery. And, I don't know how much, you know, I've read or heard, you know, but on the 25 common commonalities, you know, he didn't get any of the drinks either. You know, the stuff that I brought in there, the table was seemed like it was moved away a lot of times. I just, I hate all of this. I hit for myself, for my kids, and everybody else who had who's read this? Now I've listened to different stories, and I think I'll thank god, you know, is enough for months in just seven days? Because I don't know, you know, how people endured that because it was that was hard. And I just I didn't understand evil until now. I think a lot of people have a hard time grasping evil because you go to a hospital thinking these people went to the school. They took a oath. They make promises to go to the hospital to get help. It's for sick people. And it's made me really realize too, you know, in the Bible, it's just trust no man. That's exactly what we're supposed to do, you know, not trust anyone. And I know that's, you know, pretty terrible to say, but I don't think we can put trust in anybody. I've been having some car problems, and my car's been in the shop for a good while. And I've went to go get it twice, and it still has problems. And it just kinda go back to thinking, man, things that these people went to school and, you know, that's what their degree is in or whatever. But yeah. Anyway, I live in Arizona, and I live up in the White Mountains. I used to live in Phoenix, and, I'm about four hours away from the hospital from where, he died. It's I have PTSD. That's my story. What's that? Speaker 20: Have you documented your story at CHCMP? Speaker 9: I have. I have. Speaker 20: I don't know if you're coming to our support group, but, have a a it's, one Saturday. I I think it might need to be every Saturday. Speaker 9: Yeah. The well, the very first one, I just talked to Telen, and I I haven't been to the the trauma one yet. I mean, I haven't attended it. But, I mean, I do pretty good most of the time, but right now, with the holidays, with the two year anniversary, his birthday was just, in October. So from October to about January is is a rough time. Speaker 20: Yeah. That's that's why we're here. You know, the the. It's so difficult. It's so difficult. Speaker 9: One thing that the hospital did do and in the hospital records, it says that wife, children, and father agreed to DNR. That was never even brought up. Like I said, the comfort care, but and, yeah, we never agreed. I asked about the comfort care. You know? Like, I I wasn't sure what that meant. You know? Yeah. Make them, you know, comfortable. Speaker 20: Pride is kind of deceptive, isn't it? Because, of course, you want your loved one to be comfortable, but, no, do not want them to feel. So that's the distinction they've kind of muddied to for a date murder. The next item? Yeah. Speaker 26: Yeah. I did. I just wanted to say to her, you know, I'm coming up on three years. My husband passed away 12/17/2020, and I totally understand where you're coming from. And, you know, it doesn't get easier, but the pain becomes gentler. And with me, it's like knowledge is key. And the more that we understand by looking at the medical records and studying and getting involved, it's a healing process for so many of us. And I just wanted to add that and, send you my prayers because it will get gentler, but we're all here for you. Speaker 9: Thank you. Thank you. You know, I never had anxiety until now. I never had anxiety before until this this happened. Speaker 20: I think anxiety is a a very reasonable response to what's happened to you. And and and the even for the so many things. But what we're trying to do is, do with so much fixed and quite often that earn earn some of that language to access. I know you're you're doing things, and I'm just I'm so I'm so glad that I think it'll I think it's not only is it helping to raise awareness and and helping to stop these things from happening, but it can also be healing and kind of helpful. Speaker 2: You should come to art therapy on Thursdays. It helps so much with anxiety. Speaker 26: It does. I agree 100%. Speaker 9: I may have to try it. And it's fun. Speaker 14: Cheryl Cheryl, I'll I'll recommend, CBD. I do CBD whenever I feel weird. It's good. You know? Okay. Yeah. CBD is very good for that. And CBD and ginger tea. So if you if you get some ginger tea for, you know, good digestion and on an empty belly, take some CBD and sip sip sip ginger tea. It'll help with your anxiety. I promise. Speaker 9: Okay. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Speaker 26: Hot baths as well. Speaker 9: I have been walking, and that that's been good therapy. Speaker 14: I I still go to therapy to this day, to be honest with you. So I I understand. I do. Speaker 9: Yep. My so my son, it's his birthday today. And, when my husband was in the hospital, we did. We, you know, kinda had, like, a birthday party outside the hospital room and, get my you know, sing happy birthday to my son and, you know, my husband's watching and he, you know, he was melding in in singing happy birthday. But now my son and so I'm trying to, you know, help him with this also. This is, you know, PTSD traumatic that now his birthday, you know, has, like, you know, was stigma to it. You know? From that last year, we had a party. He lives in Texas, so I'll be seeing him in about two two weeks. But, yeah, it's it's something that we really have to work on and talk through. You know, I have to help him with with that, with his birthday, but that surrounds it. And that's something, you know, kinda every year. And like I said, from October to January, just yeah. We have, well, like everybody else, the the anniversaries or birthdays are just the that's significant. Speaker 2: We also have a PTSD, workshop with a professional on set every Saturday at 3PM. It's really, really good. So our support groups are not all just talking about a problem. So we have art therapy. We've got a PTSD workshop. We have the Twitter space. We have a game night just to kinda lighten things up. And then there's all kinds of different ones, men's only, women's only. We have a SoulCare, which is half support and half bible study. We have a one for survivors. We have one for parents who lost children. I can't remember all of them. But yeah. So I encourage Well, Speaker 9: Well, thank you. I'll definitely have to check out the art therapy and the PTSD one. Speaker 2: Yeah. And and when I say art therapy, you do not have to be an artist at all. It's not about an art contest or how talented you are. It's it's just you'll see. It's, anybody can can do it and then join it, and you'll be very surprised how much it helps. It's it's Thursdays at 05:30 and the central time. And the, PTSD workshop is Saturdays at 3PM central time. Speaker 14: K. And, Cheryl, if you decide you wanna tell your story in the future, when you do and doc and it's documented, I, I have this thing where I like to do mega tweets, and maybe one day I'll tweet your story to the universe if that would help you. You know? Okay. Yeah. It it's already documented. Speaker 9: I did it I did it about a year, a little over a year ago. Speaker 26: Andy, it's at the top of the page. Speaker 14: Oh, nice. Okay. Well, I'll get on it. Okay. There we go. I'll tweet it out. Speaker 2: We also have the former feds focus podcast. If anybody is interested in being on that, please contact me, and we'll get you scheduled as well. Any experts or professionals or victims or anybody or survivors, anybody. I'd love to have you on. I'm not talking much because I'm driving, and I feel like there's a feedback or something. So I keep meeting myself. I was wondering where you were going. Speaker 10: If anybody wants to hear about c CBDC, let me know. I'll be happy to share. Speaker 2: Hey, Brad. Tell us about the news lawsuit. Speaker 10: Okay. So for those of you who are, paying attention to the scoreboard, we started with, getting rid of these hospital protocols and getting public awareness up about that and getting awareness up about the vaccines, and that can be categorized as the, essentially a government ambush, really, when you look at it. While we are attempting to do our best there, we also, I think, made a significant impact on January 6, which as video starts to be released, it's becoming more and more clear that that was also a government ambush, or at least an ambush by, it's gonna end up being a stew of factors, but the bottom line is I think ultimately it will, for the vast majority, if not everybody, it'll end up there'll be a wholesale exoneration, I believe, at some point in the future as long as we just keep on this path. And the third thing we identified we actually have 10 platforms, but the third big sort of pincer thrust was, CBDC. That's a national digital currency that it takes is, hard currency, cash and coins for that matter, physical physical currency. And I've gotten involved in 2015 in the mutilated coin industry where, I can assure everybody that this is absolutely true, that the Chinese, import hundreds of thousands of metric tons of what is known as Zorba, which is essentially ground up vehicles. And vehicles are sourced from all over the world, but, generally, the the the big containers of zorba from these vehicles coming from North America go go to a certain number of, scrap reclamation facilities. Those from Europe go to go to another set, and those from, South America go to another set. In this Zorba, they actually find nuts, bolts, and, coins of all kinds. Best estimate we had was that every American car has about a dollar 62 in it, believe it or not, in an ashtray tucked underneath the, you know, the doormat, you know, a car mat. All this stuff ends up down the supply chain in, at that time, 02/2015, in China, and, it would all be sorted. And there was one facility where all the coins ended up, and they would be sorted. And to make this long story a little bit shorter, the US government, because it's required to take currency, when it's tendered, it's really a a target of treasury. There's a federal law that forces them to do that. They'd arranged to, take this mutilated currency in bulk. So for every ton of, dimes, quarters, half dollars, and dollars, this submitter would get, $40,000, which is basically by weight. I didn't know this, but a quarter weighs 2 and a half dimes, a half dollar weighs two quarters, etcetera. It's all done by weight. And so I, I was brought into a case that nobody thought it was gonna be possible to do anything, where the US attorney's office made what turned out to be false allegations about some Hong Kong suppliers and Chinese suppliers of these coins. I assume they're mute they were counterfeit myself, quite frankly, because, you know, where else could these coins be coming from? It just didn't make any sense. So, I went over to to China, toured the facilities. There's thousands of, of, peasants that go through these big piles of, of, scrap. And sure enough, they have sort of array of buckets around them. And sure enough, you know, there's coins, and the coins are coming from basically every country of the of the world. At the end of the line, they aggregate the coins, and coming off the lines were dimes and pennies. And I asked, you know, what do you guys do with the dimes and pennies? Do you ship those back to The United States, you know, to redeem them? And they can't make basically, you lose money. There's not enough in the shipping that covers it, so they would smelt it locally. So I knew I had when I saw the pallets of dimes and the pallets of nickels coming off the lines, I knew I had The United States because there's really no reasonable explanation for that. Nobody would be counterfeiting dimes and pennies. So we had this really a full scale investigation, did all these creative things with the help of former FBI agents, and we got them exonerated and, got them their, all their money back, about $8,000,000 back. And one of the women that was she was a student in The UK who'd been accused of being a money laundress. The UK crown had read the US attorney's office for New Jersey's charging documents, assumed it to be true. It was preposterous and wrong, and they knew it, but they wouldn't reverse it. And they were gonna deport her to a prison camp. So our nonprofit got involved and and, got her we got through to the right people at the Crown, and they they saw to it that she that she got her golden ticket to stay in The UK. The bottom line of that long story is, at that time, I concluded that it was hard for me to accept it at the time, but now looking back on it, it was very obvious that they were getting rid of the mutilated coin program and the bulk coin program. And the more I looked at the mint operations, it was clear to me that they were getting rid of coinage and going to a commemorative coin model, which at the time was hard for me to understand because that's not how government bureaucracies work. Government bureaucracies work. They, you know, they're they're eternal, and everything they do is is to promote their survival, and and they're always on a growth track. So this is very odd to me. I thought it was it just didn't make any sense to me. I kinda checked that. I got my client their money back. The the Mint never reopened the program, though it's required I believe it's required to. They melt the coins down and turn it to coin roll and then print new new coins out. They had a couple of pretextual melts where they had they they slow rolled me because I think they knew I would fight back and win. And but they had these pretextual melts where people brought all their coins. They were melted down, and the government refused to pay them. And they've been running around doing these forfeitures. And just really, from my vantage point, really extreme forms of forfeiture, with very shaky theories of prosecution where any reasonable person would look at so this you know, a guy who washes dishes in a Chinese restaurant and and opt not to to charge him with felonies and completely ruin him. So this is sort of bubbling along, and I'm getting this feedback loop that it looks like this is strange, you know, that the mint and the US Treasury, even though they're required to by multiple laws, you know, the the mint is actually mentioned in the US Constitution. I mean, this is as germane to our our formation and existence as it comes, and they're they're they're actively, like, withdrawing from from that obligation even though it's required by law. So this is, like, really, it's, like, not computing. And then, we see all these other signs of the government starting to withdraw from, cash. You know, fewer ATMs, fewer bank branches. You have all sorts of little adjustments and things that are changing by large companies that are now, accepting cash less and less. So I can see that squeezing down. And then we have all these analysts who say we're all going to CBDC. It looks like Bitcoin has gotten the blessing from somebody because it's at 40,400 or something. That's 44,000 per coin. So somebody may have given that the blessing. I don't know if that's gonna be the CBDC or it's gonna ride in parallel to what's issued. I'm not really sure. But the bottom line is I want no part of CBDC. I no longer trust my government, and, I don't I I think it's a tracking mechanism, and it's gonna end up being a chip in our hands, and then it'll just be pulled up from a virus from a retina scan. I I don't really know. The bottom line is I just I want nothing to do with it. Cash is freedom. Spending is freedom. There's this 1976 case that I'm not pulling up right now. I I can't think of what the name of it is, but it basically held that that, spending cash is speech, at least in the, political speech genre. So everybody understands that engaging in commerce, entering into contracts, all these things are fundamental concepts of freedom, and they're gonna go to a digital currency where they're gonna be able to basically tell you how much you can get, how much you can spend, what you can spend it on, where you can spend it. And that's gonna dovetail with the social credit system that was that was, piloted in, China. I visited this very, very rare unusual for an Anglo to be in this region of China where they roll where Google rolled out the social credit system and then withdrew and then they brought all that technology back. This is really, really bad news. Simultaneously, you have the China freedom movement. There's Miles Gao, Miles Kwok. He's a basically our generation civil rights leader for ethnic Chinese who want to reform the Chinese government, and basically, you know, just overthrow the CCP and establish democracy there. And there's probably tens of millions of supporters. It's probably way higher than that, but tens of millions is a conservative estimate. I'm not sure what it was about him, you know, as as as we devolve, I guess you could say, it seems like the US government is making more and more prosecutorial decisions. They're factoring politics into it, and, it's impossible not to see. You really have to be blind, and this is not this is completely improper. And I, you know, I'm working on the principle that there's people inside of government that don't like it either and that they're gonna help us. So if we just keep appealing to their better, their better sides, you you know, they're gonna come around and and try to reform from within. So that's why we put a lot of pressure on these institutions, on the leadership of the institutions so that the people inside can can get leverage points and help reform from inside. If we're successful, the vast majority of reforms will be invisible to us, but it'll be happening inside. And that'll result in those institutions continuing to be worthy of, you know, remaining in place rather than being destroyed and rebuilt, which is always the Marxist plan. So I don't wanna fall into Marxist plan. So, Miles Kwok got arrested. Let me see. Well, first off, they seized, the Himalayan exchange, which, as best I can tell, is no connection to Myles Kwok. Myles Kwok is like a like a civil rights leader. It's like Martin Luther King led the civil rights unit, movement in The United States, but he didn't own all the church. He didn't have a financial interest in all the churches down south. Right? It's kinda like that. He as best I can tell I've never met the man, but he was in our he was an advocate for private crypto exchanges that were not controlled by governments, where you could pull money, you could move money outside of borders. Like, if, you know, if you're in China, it's very hard to get your money out of China. You gotta spend your money inside China. Some countries make it very hard to buy certain things. You know, we can see that now. You can see how they're gonna roll in all this green crap, and, you know, you can only buy this much because, you know, you don't have enough carbon credits and all this stuff. So he was really an advocate for these economic exchanges. And, so inspired by that, I guess, they formed the Himalayan exchange. It's a stablecoin exchange. So, basically, if you make an investment of $10,000, you have to go through extensive compliance and know your customer and any money laundering checks. They give you they they take your $10,000. They put it into a trust fund, and it just sits there. And then they issue $10,000 worth of HDO, which is a crypto coin. And then you get, depending on what the value of the the trading coin is, it fluctuates like a share price. You get that issued to you as well. And, I think it I think there's probably about $600,000,000 in there maybe and about 10,000 customers. So they seize it in, let me think. It was, it was, I should know this, September 2022. And the theory is very shaky, in my opinion. This is gonna come out as we get in the filings. And then Miles Kwok is arrested in March. And for some unknown reason, similar to the January who were thrown at the Gulag, they threw Myles Kwok into the Gulag even though if you just look at it objectively, you know, he's not a risk of flight. He's not a risk of the community, but he's riding away in Rikers Island. So, because of my pro prior, foray into into the forfeiture, some of the customers found out about me. They talked to me. I I wasn't very optimistic at first, but I looked at this exchange and how it was running. It's like, jeez, this thing is run, like, really tight. Tough compliance procedures, know your customer rules, it's no connection to Miles Kwok. I start looking under the hood. A lot of this will be in our filings. And it just looked like they didn't really have a good basis for for just basically stealing all these people's money. These are ethnic Chinese that live in Asia, South America, Europe, and there's a substantial number of non ethnic Chinese that just think it's a it was a good crypto exchange to buy in, particularly because of their their compliance procedures. But they, what people don't know here in The United States, because what also what I've learned is that the media conglomerate and whatever it is that's suppressing information about early treatments is also blocking us from having much of an awareness about the free China movement. And when you wonder, like, what would the source of that be, you know, it gets a little bit scary because there there does seem to be as much or more suppression, that blocks knowledge and awareness of the Chinese free Chinese freedom movement here in The United States, and it's really perplexing. I'm not really sure, like, what constellation of interest aggregated to make that happen, but it's probably not good for any of us. So they, what we don't realize is that CCP, the Chinese government, has and I don't know if it's the government or it's satellite or maybe it's somebody that claims to have a connection with the government that's that's a independent actor. I don't really know, but they have, like, like, fake police forces, like auxiliary police forces over here harassing Americans, doing different kinds of things. They do this in Europe too. And, they have a whole array of ways to punish, recalcitrant and, ethic Chinese that are too loud mouthed or criticizing the government or doing whatever they don't like. And even more chillingly, ethnic Chinese feel vulnerable because, they go after their loved ones. So, you know, they'll they'll back in China, they'll throw your loved one into into prison or, they'll get, you know, daily visits by the police, you know, intimidating visits by the police, that kind of thing. So, you know and as I mentioned in the press conference that I did, we did, and I remember back in the seventies and eighties where, you know, we would have the United States government would have supported a freedom movement like this. China's a a rival of ours. It's a communist government, and we would actively be looking for pro free freedom elements and giving them financial support. But here, it's, like, turned upside down. We've jailed this leader on charges that really look specious. And then even worse, we we've confiscated the wealth, of 10,000 of his of, the large percentage of whom are supporters or at least they engage in the movement. It's a very, very bizarre government conduct. I'm not really sure what is going on. But because our nonprofit, everybody's so devoted in picking up tasks and and and you know, I think we're we're really hitting it with our services to, people in the medical freedom freedom movement, and, you know, we made a, I think, a significant impact on January 6. It's it's really, you know, freed up, attorneys like myself to go, and at least begin the process of trying to push back on some of these areas. So, we're gonna be filing something in the next couple days, a follow on filing. I think our I think my my initial filing caught them off guard. They're very unhappy with me. They I think they were I suspect they were drafting something to try to convince the I intervened in the criminal court. There's a bankruptcy proceeding, and then there's this action in the criminal court. And, I think that they weren't expecting the judge to rule in my favor as quickly as she did, and I think they were drafting something that was basically gonna say, you know, you shouldn't enter you should he doesn't have jurisdiction to be here. He doesn't have standing. You know, kick him out, judge. Something along those lines. But the judge ruled in my favor, and they had to reposture their letter brief. And, you know, they got into the substance of a meet and confirm meeting I had with them. I've never had that experience, where somebody breaches or broaches or puts in a filing discussions that were, basically, settlement discussions are really it's very strange. So they're very unhappy with me, obviously. And, now we have the the bankruptcy trustee from the bankruptcy matter. He's coming in, and he wants to help everybody. He's already built $24,000,000, I think, or something like that in fees. I mean, just exorbitant fees. Raking, my clients under the coals. Never never had no no one's ever asked my clients what what they think. So, we're gonna try to blunt that, try to get these poor people their money back. But in the meantime, I've gotten to know some of these people that are now my clients, and they're just like us. I mean, they have the same exact worldview that we do. They're more extreme and more concerned about in Chinese influence over our government. I mean, they're very matter of fact about it. It's really pretty grim. Their assessment is very, very grim. But they love freedom. They love liberty. Miles Kwok was out in front in terms of advising people to avoid hospitals. He was out in front of early treatments. He, you know, was screaming from the rooftops not to get the vaccine. So it's really strange because, you know, a lot of the awareness of the movement, even though I was aware of it, it's like I hadn't really paid attention because it's all blocked for me. And it's like I just stumbled on this massive movement of people, and they are all when I talk to them, they're all like, you know, we wanna help you guys. We're, you know, we're we're we're on board with you. You know? How can we work together? That kind of thing. So I think this is really serendipity here. I'm sorry to go on for that long, but that's that's kinda like, this is the third. You know, we we we have three big initiatives going on. We're increasingly changing our posture from a defensive posture to an offensive posture. Our audiences are becoming more receptive. We're appealing to more and more people. When I first got on in January 6 and I said that it was a government setup, or that was my suspicion or that that had to be investigated, people literally thought that I flew in on a UFO. And now it's it's to the point where it's almost conventional wisdom. Same thing with, you know, when we first started, every every person here knows this. You know, the reaction you got when you when you said that your loved one was tortured and killed in a hospital, it's like very, very tough tough crowd. That's changing. And now we have you know, hopefully, we've started in time to get this awareness about getting rid of this CBDC. Our government is not worthy of the trust. That's the thing. They've they've they have an eternally breached trust with me, but it is so utterly destroyed, the trust that I have for the government. I named my law firm former Fence. I named it, you know, that's how proud I was to be a career civil servant. They completely destroyed it. And, they're just unworthy of that kind of power. They're unworthy of the trust that that would be required to roll out a CBDC. So all we can do to push back is to use cash, make make, you know, try to try to cut back on your use of credit cards, avoid establishments that only take credit cards. You know, if if they're not gonna take American cash, then they're not gonna get our business. We gotta, you know, continue to get more active and build relationships with our elected representatives right now as a class. They really don't represent us. So we're gonna need to get more widows to run for office because we really need people that that have their their empathy intact. A lot a lot of the people running around this country right now had their empathy removed, so we're gonna need to replace them with people that still have their their empathy. So I I hate to put out the clarion call again to people who've sacrificed so much, but the sacrifices are gonna be are gonna have to continue, and it's it's, you you know, we're in a twenty year time horizon. So and it's the bottom line. To get this reversed, it's gonna take twenty years. Anyway, I hope I I wasn't too, pessimistic. I'm actually very optimistic. I think that, the last three months, something happened just in the last month. And this is even in the wake of the Alex Jones. If you haven't listened to Alex Jones interview with Tucker Carlson, you should. It's it's really dour. I'm not that dour, but, just to know what we're up against. And like I've always said, these these sacrifices are these are your loved ones are war casualties. And, you know, if if we get into a position where we're able to reclaim all this, it will only be because we had those sacrifices. Because if you look at all the great things that happened where you get a big advancement, throughout civilization, it always follows some horrendous tragedy. There's something in the I'm not really sure how it works, but there's something about that big void, that darkness void that's created that has to it creates an imbalance, and then it creates an opportunity. And that's what I think we're seeing that we're beginning to see now whether it comes you know, I think the next year, the next twelve months are gonna be the most pivotal twelve months in American history, and we're either gonna set it back and get back on track or we're not. And the odds, frankly, are are against us. I mean, without a miracle, we're we're we're in big trouble. Speaker 20: Thank you so much for that. I see you have our hand up. Lenny, do you have a question? Speaker 7: Yeah. I hope my sound is okay. I'm out in the country. Pleasure to meet you. I really love your work. And, yeah, I agree with you. There's a a lot that's gonna be happening, but I don't think they, you know, estimated they'd activate all the grandmothers and mothers. And, that's exactly what's going on is people who are retired or who have time on their hands or spending the time to research and get things done and, participate. I I really, encourage a lot of people to join CHBMP to volunteer. They do need people to volunteer to take the testimonies, and they'll train you. They can tell you about that. But, with one thing, that really gets me through this is the mantra there is no statute of limitations for murder. And since this is a, United States Department Of Defense countermeasure operation, wouldn't, in terms of, bringing some of these people to account, be the purview of military court with the right commander in chief? Speaker 10: Possibly. You're absolutely right, by the way. I I think that the groundswell that we've seen, I mean, we were hopeful at the beginning. Right? But it was like a crazy fantasy, like a, you know, a fever. Like, how could that ever happen? And everybody we all found each other. I mean, and, I know I found you as much as you found me, and that process is going on. And it's it I can't even believe, the the growth and the, I mean, I people pull me aside in the gym when I wear my shirt, you know. You say something, you make an assertion about the vaccine, and everybody gives you a nod or they they say that, you know, it's complete like, in some respects, we've been spectacularly spectacularly successful, but we have to be spectacularly successful week after week after week over the next year and grow at this kind of pace to have a shot. Because, I mean, it is like watch the Alex Jones interview. I mean, he is dour, and I think he's one of the most accurate prognosticators over a couple decades. Regarding the tribunals, it all depends on again, this is like it always follows a massive political movement. Now, World War two, yeah, at at at the tip of the spear, there was, you know, kinetic military conflict and lots of death. But, I mean, those you know, you could also look you also frame that as those as basically political movements. And will the US government come in? Will there be some kind of I mean, it's it's conceivable. I'm not sure mechanically how that works. You would have to have some sort of big, like, public disclosure where of, like, systemic and serial capital crimes where the entire network it it became evident to a critical mass of people that the entire network had been compromised acting, you know, acting acting treacherously and had to be removed en masse. I don't know how that I I I don't think that that's a hard thing for me to envision. I think it's more likely that whoever it is that the powers that be are, if you somehow if you somehow pull out a November, a dark horse, whether it's a a Trump or somebody else or it's an RFK junior, and you get a lot of people in government, you could maybe do a random, random job cuts that I think are are hard to defend against even in the career civil service environment, like everybody with an odd, social security number, something like that, or maybe, you know, a quarter or a third. And then, you know, we have a lot of ideas for most of my ideas are focused on proactive, changes of enforcement that ultimately result in a lot of accountability. But it's not that'll be a side effect of it. That over time, you have so much side effects of this that the the the general awareness increases about what happened, and you go in it that way instead of just jumping in right away and saying, well, you know, we're going after this. You know, we're going after crimes against humanity. You have to you have to build it. You gotta build up the grand fraud cases and the science fraud cases and the hospital homicide cases, and you can make it get scattered. Criminal you know, you get you go from the civil part of the spear to the, the spectrum to the criminal side of the spectrum. You go from the local to state. You start getting some federal participation. You go from the general crimes that are easier to the more white collar crimes that are more sinister. You go from the lower level, you know, people that are mechanically carrying it out to the designers. You start putting all that together, then you get into the design, and then you get into the overarching scheme. And and at some point, you you break the seal on crimes against humanity, and then at that point, you know, that seems to invoke more of a of a DOD kind of response. But, by that time, you've you've done so much in the way of reforming your agencies. You probably don't need it. Speaker 20: Well said. Nuni, I think, has a follow-up question, and then Andy Luke. Speaker 7: Well, you know, given that it could go to if you had the political will, it would take a second term president, not a first term president. They don't do that kind of thing. Second term presidents don't have to worry about being reelected. So once you from that, point, you have the military. Right? And that underneath them, you have the HHS and all the agencies involved, as well as the subcontractors. And in the meantime, while that's going on, you could look at the restructuring of the system. So, you know, my dream team is, Trump is president and then just getting, Bobby Kennedy on board to, you know, lay waste to those oversight agencies that have failed in their duty of care. Speaker 10: Right. You know? Yeah. So No. That sounds like a great plan. And what what what position are you gonna be in? What what what do you think I'm I'm not even American. Speaker 7: I'm a Canadian. Everything you guys do No. There's there's country has followed. They are following the same protocols, the same stories. Everything's the same. Health Canada has not, you know, done its due diligence to double check everything. They do whatever the CDC says, what whatever Fauci says. And and that's what's going on right now. It's it's if you think if you think things are bad in The US, they're worse here. He's turning us into China. Everybody's looking to you guys. Like, this doesn't fall globally until it falls in America. The battleground is America, and it is a battleground. I mean, we're all aware of, you know, the psychological bullshit and whatnot, and they're little trolls. They have at least a 100,000 on x, you know, if you do the math. And and they're they're everywhere. And that's one thing that we do, you know, keep aware of. But, you know, the mantra, there is no statute of limitations for murder. It will be done. Very true. There right. My tribe is looking at being extinct. You know, we may be extinct after, you know, what, eighty years? Speaker 10: Yeah. Speaker 7: And that's just not my tribe. They went after all First Nations and American Indians in on both sides of the border. Very high uplift works. You're gonna call Cookham was very effective. Plus, we still had, collective memory of, the Spanish flu and how bad it was. All the stories came out and everybody was scared and everybody lined up, rolled their sleeves, and many on number seven. And at number seven, they have psychotic breaks. It's bad. So in terms of, you know, not having the political will, when people start talking about the civilized people, use the systems in place. And what they've demonstrated, what they can do when they have the political will, because that's the whole thing this, countermeasure was all about. Mhmm. So, yeah, there can be the political will, but it would take everybody working, everybody doing their things, you know, going signing up to volunteer for CHBMP. Making sure people, you know, tell their testimonies. Tell you know? And, like, that's vitally important right there. I I mean Yeah. But I I would love to hear you and Jumbo Duane talk. Honestly, that would be, brilliant because you guys can look at the various, points of law that you're pointing out, like, you know, the difference between the civil and the criminal and, you know, you know, the the bullshit about the PREP Act and the fact that it was, you know, there are all of these things because once because it is a countermeasure operation, all of the definitions shift and the standards that would usually apply in manufacturing, shipping, storage no longer apply. So some of the cases built on that, I'm wondering, like, how can a little old lady in, Canada figure that out and why well, like, what are your lawyers doing about it? Speaker 10: Well, the first thing I would do is I would reconfigure. I would take all the agencies that are focused on braiding grandmas because that's just a big diversion. After Obama came in in 2009 and they off they they basically demobilized all the OIGs. At the time, there were, I think, 56 OIGs, office of inspector generals. You had Homeland Security, which which wasn't as much of a force then. You had FBI, and they they they moved everything from a war zone footing, fraud in the war zone where all these, where we developed all these capabilities, but it was always for overseas. You know? We've we've imported that to here against citizens. They're just waiving the the con law issues. But we we'd built the procurement fraud, grant fraud, science fraud, health care fraud, big pharma fraud, big international cartel stuff with, the antitrust division, price fixing. There wasn't much section two, monopoly work. FCC and FTC were, not really doing that much that that could be beefed up now. And I would, they they took everything and and and just basically went to a ridiculous, preposterous, proactive training program where they trained everybody out of, committing fraud and corruption. And they gave away they took a big fire hose, and they they they hit everybody with $1,200,000,000,000, and that was used to completely, reengineer and redesign all of our systems and all of our institutions. So they they they built this permanent revolving door system, in the federal government. They, they basically shut down every investigation that we had. They took the FBI. They pointed it at a thing called housing auction fraud. The entire FBI went to housing auction fraud, which is just ridiculous. You know, they they did this big infusion into, the me the media was on its way out. The established media, which is, you know, government propaganda ministry media was on its way out. The business model had failed, so it just got a big infusion. And, you know, there was just a big transfer or exchange between the Obama administration and members of the media. And then the the next big cataclysmic, nationalization oh, that I forgot. This is when the bank the banks were nationalized then. Entire financial system was nationalized then. And then in 02/1011, you had nationalization of health care, and still there were no investigations. There was no deterrence. So how do you get to a situation where everybody's getting slaughtered in hospitals and everybody's violating, everybody's engaged in grant fraud, and they're they're jamming 55 drugs into people where where I mean, literally, a kindergartner could tell that's probably not a good idea. I mean, just the whole thing becomes so preposterous. The the way is is that our systems were, were were basically hobbled in 02/1989, you know, by some peep some of the people doing that some of the people doing that are just dumb, but some of the people doing that were were hobbling them on purpose. So so they they don't reform. They don't refine. They don't, they don't make adjustments to North, and now they're all going cattywampus. And there's no deterrence. Nobody's like, no one's gonna get investigated unless you you commit, like, really narrow, crimes that are approved, for attention. But, you know, the most egregious crimes, everybody pretends like they're not going on. If you mention it, you you put your job at risk. So these are like you know, we're headed towards a totalitarian system. So I would take all that. I would I would re I take 96 US attorney's offices. They're over 60 OIGs now. The FBI do a big national task force, procurement fraud, grant fraud, procurement, science fraud. I would I would take the antitrust division, and it's 360 attorneys. They have about a 120, maybe there's 400. Take a 130 attorneys to do criminal work. I would have them pick up all the decline cases. We'd go procurement fraud, grant fraud, science fraud. And any decline case, they would pick up. They would work it up. The two thirds that are on, competition, we do a a better distribution of work with the FTC, break up Google, break up Facebook, break up, probably BlackRock. And to do that, you have to you have to change the policy on vertical restraints and section two enforcement. If you if you, I would take all the these agencies have I mean, again, this is just completely insane, but they have nonprofits that work alongside them, and the industry ties into the nonprofits. And there's another revolve those nonprofits, each one of those relation each one of the, agencies that have a nonprofit associated with it would get an active grand jury investigation to go after whatever nefariousness was happening there. I would go back to February, and I would track the evolution of the sabotage of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin that involve extreme forms of grand fraud, science fraud, and corruption. I would, have a grand jury investigate the development of and approval of remdesivir. And then I'd put another one on the rollout of, like, I I as best I can tell, that that the j this is a back of the envelope statement here, but j and j, Moderna, Pfizer, seem to be the same thing. They seem to have the same parents. I don't know about the Sinovacs, the China Sinovacs. Like, I want somebody to look at all those vaccines and tell me, is this the same vaccine? And who the hell made it? Did our DOD make it? Was it DOD contractors? Was it really Pfizer, Moderna, and J and J's and Sinovac? Or was this made by third party contractors and then laundered, to make it look like it was coming from the, from the, big pharma companies. We see that with remdesivir where Gilead is a developer over over ten years or so, and there's a whole sordid story about the remdesivir, intellectual property around that. But, you know, Gilead didn't, Pfizer manufactured it. It. So I I I'll bet you there's a really interesting story about how it came to be that Pfizer was was a manufacturer, of this Gilead product, how that was chosen as the drug of not the drug of choice, the drug of mandate. I wanna know who it is in the government who came up with the bonus structure. Who came like, what are the Medicare committees? Who are sitting on it? Like, who came up with the protocol? Who who instituted it? How did it evolve? What was the, inform you know, who came up with everybody should be put on a ventilator? I wanna know, like, how that came to be. Was that in earnest? Was that, like, was that just an honest mistake, or was it something worse? Because to me, it looks it looks like it could potentially be a lot worse. It looks like remdesivir, the sabotage, the early treatments, the rollout of the vaccines, the the, I think I mentioned remdesivir that and the vent the use of ventilators, that something was actively sabotaging that. And it's it seems like it's more than, like, corruption. There there's something there's something more at stake, like compromise. Like, maybe compromise by a foreign government or compromise by an international body of some sort. I, you know, I I I don't know, but all that stuff has to be investigated, and you have to investigate it from the perspective of just general you know, regular crimes. And then, that'll increase the the, the state of knowledge that the country has to get you that platform, which you're talking about is, you know, to go to look, there's so many capabilities in a civil enforcement context that just aren't used. Like, in Washington, DC, you go to Washington, DC, there the place is filled with g with husband and wife g s fifteens making a half million dollars a year working from home. There's agencies where they just don't Department of Interior. What do those people do? I mean, it's it's it's just, and by the way, these are smart people. So, you know, they they can be some of them can be let go, but perhaps the more, I don't know. It this the the the beautiful solution might be to actually deploy all that talent, to look prospectively, you know, what what you don't wanna have happen is is like a purge. Right? Like a political purge because then you're just gonna have rotational political purges, a la, Great Leap Forward, you know, Chairman Mao philosophy kind of stuff. So, like, it's almost like I'd be willing to pay the price of not firing a lot of people just if you could avoid the rotational purchase because that that's the greater threat. You have to actually, like, kinda unilaterally disarm. I know that sounds, like, radical and passive, but, the threat really is the threat is that the institutions fail. Like, there's so much bullshit now, built into some of our agencies and institutions in terms of their mission. Like, everything's built around c o two is point 04%. So what they're and a tiny fraction of that is affected by by human I've been saying this for twenty years. People are finally, you know, it's finally have well, it's like the difference between in an Olympic sized pool putting a cup of water or a cup of CO two into a liquid CO two into an Olympic sized pool every day versus a cup of water I'm sorry, a cup of CO two into the water plus a teaspoon of CO two into the water every day. I mean, it's not gonna have any material effect whatsoever on the condition of that pool. And we've pulled during time. Speaker 20: Isn't it interesting that all the solutions that they're trying to implement either through COVID policy or through the climate change policy, they're all the same solution. So it's all, like, stay home and and don't socialize and do everything online and funnel everything onto digital platform. Speaker 10: And the the reason for that may be isolation, Because what happens when people rub elbows and they talk and they see they see each other and they physically interact and they share ideas and they share each they share their personal views with each other, You know, the person receiving those personal views say, oh, that person is reasonable, and they're making me stretch in this direction. And that has all been systematically shut down. The public square has been systematically destroyed over a decade. Speaker 27: 100%. 100%. I just wanted to say that. Absolutely. Speaker 10: And as a result, like, Americans don't know each other. They're angry with each other. Like, I mean, I don't trust Americans. I be you know, I I don't. And, this is Facebook and this this was our liberty this is our liberty suit in December 2020. We called it the liberty suit. Facebook monopolized the public square. And at the time, we didn't the the evidence hadn't come in that it was being done at the US government. It was a US government mandate. I mean, this is really egregious conduct. Like, they've breached and by the way, the only thing that's ever appropriate is peaceful, lawful disobedience. These people that say second amendment is such a trap. Whoever did this to us do not see the second amendment as a threat. Because if you can just prevent people from talking and exchanging ideas and and and force them off the public square, that that's all you need to control people. It never gets to the second amendment enforcement stage. I figure anybody that's advocating the second amendment is either crazy or they're they're fed. So, Or ignorant is fun. Yes. I mean, like like, just expressing your views to everybody you possibly can and helping educate people and talk to them is worth a million bullets. Speaker 7: But Well, I gotta tell you about the red pill starter pack. I put it down in in the bubble. It's basically a link to about a thousand links of all things COVID, including, you know, stuff people should know. Shedding is real. You should know about the the doctors who are competent at treating this, the the various treatments, the protocols, things like that. But further on, you get more into the substack and papers about the WHO, you know, the various federal departments involved, things like that. And you could send it, you know, with one click. And, I actually have those awkward conversations. I had killed another guy, and I said, hang on. And I generated a QR code here. You can take the link with you. And he scanned it and took it, and his wife is, a nurse, who's probably having a long read right now, you know, because, this information should be everybody would know it if but for the censorship. So, it's a nice handy little tool. I got the app idea from, Moneypenny, who also has information on there. And I thought, wow. I've been looking for that. So I put that together for everybody to use. Speaker 20: That is great. Stand up in the nest for you. Speaker 10: That's great. See, that's the kind of thing. It, you know, every little creative thing that you do I mean, I think the biggest mistake is it's the small things that have the impact. It's the act of doing it. It's the it you know, because you're basically exercising freedom. And and I I happen to I'm working on this theory, but I think that that there's a it's hard to explain what I mean. I mean, it's like just just the action of that has a power that works against whatever it is we're up against. But that I mean, I commend you. Thank you so much for doing that. And anything that anybody does, I'm grateful for. Speaker 7: And there's a researcher you have to check out. I'll I'll, put her, details in the bubble. Her name is Destiny, and, she goes on these digs. And she's actually actually found, you know, the formation documents of some of these shell companies that the CIA started. She's got a gift for remembering names. When she goes into a reading, she goes, I saw that before. So, yeah, there'll be a list of names. I'll, put her details down. She does these fabulous document dumps, and then she'll have a space where she'll go through everything she found and the connections. It's really brilliant. Speaker 10: Yeah. I'd like to learn more about this person. That sounds interesting. Speaker 25: She's so good. Speaker 10: What's what what's her name again, and what's your account? Speaker 25: Destiny Rendez, I believe. I'm probably butchering her last name. Speaker 10: Rendez. Speaker 25: R e n d e s here. Speaker 10: Destiny Renee? Rendez sixteen? Speaker 7: Popped it up in the nest for you. Oh, thank you. There she is. And, you can go see a lot of her threads at the threadreaderapp.com and, you know, put her name in there, and all of her threads will come out. It's very interesting. Speaker 10: Oh, that's great. I'm gonna follow her. Speaker 25: Hey. I got a question for you, Liberty. Do you work with, or know who Tom Renz is? Speaker 10: Me? Yes. Yes. Yes. Of course. I know Tom Rents. Speaker 25: So I, I'm just a freaking nobody from Indiana. Hi. But I, I've been kinda woke up. I woke up, like, in 2011, and I've been really deep diving all this stuff for, you know, ever since. And I've been you know, Alex Jones, man. Alex Jones was freaking right, dude. I swear. I I knew about this. I saved all kinds of people around me because I knew that this was coming. I told them, I was like, don't take that damn shot. Absolutely not. But, I do I start we like, this year in March, I started doing what's called the TMI show. It's like a a little podcast we do just through Rumble, and, we are, like, pretty much we like, we know a lot of the InfoWars members and stuff. We are a group of InfoWars members, basically. And we, like, I I talk to Harrison and freaking Chase all the time. And we're I, I freaking talked to Tom Rens, and I'm getting him on, the twentieth. Speaker 10: Oh, that's great. Speaker 25: Yeah, dude. I'm so like, that he was one of my heroes in this whole thing, man. He had the balls to stand up to this crap, man. Oh, yeah. And, dude, I I commend him. He came out with the department of defense stuff on that COVID panel. God bless him. And I just wanna say to all all the you know, like, Cheryl and Shannon, oh my god, dude. You guys the stories broke my heart. I swear like, I I couldn't even imagine any of the stuff you guys are going through. I I can see it. Like, my sister took all those, man, and it's just breaking my fucking heart, dude. Like, I I see it. Her health is declining, and I'm seeing it, like, family members. I hear story. I work retail. I hear just people tell me about their family members who are just you know, or they're widowed or, you know, like, hey. My husband or wife passed, you know, like, last year, the year before, like, right after the start of the vaccines. And it's just it's insane. Like, it's there's so much to this, man, but it's everyone taking the ball and running with it and whatever whatever you know, whatever you're good at, whatever you can do to help get from point a to point, arrest these bastards. Let's do it. Speaker 10: Now you I think you hit the nail on the head. Everybody has to act everybody has to be an independent actor, coordinate, but not necessarily, you know, ask for permission or or or, you know, just acquire a target and, to try to neutralize the target. Again, peacefully, using expression, education, the the little little things little things matter. It you know, it's not some magic Sure. There's some people who are hugely effective. I mean, it's just the just the process of you just realizing you have a stake and getting involved. It's I mean, I I can't believe the difference that, I call them our widows, and, really, when I'm talking about our widows, I'm talking about parents and children that lost parents and people that lost siblings, but I I for sticks of stick of, wolfpack widow sticks in my head. And we have unbelievably effective people. I mean, effective communicators, persuasive, great writers, dynamic, like, knocking on doors, insisting on their their being heard. I mean, there's a woman Charlene in New Jersey, and she just raised hell at a meeting today and called the guy out. He's like, oh, you know, call he's trying to he's trying to exit after an appearance. And, he sees Charlene, and he's like, oh, you know, call my assistant. And she's like she's like, I have three times. You didn't call me, but you called me back. What's your cell phone number? Yeah. You didn't even have her cell phone number. Right? Like, this is how they are. They're total savages. Speaker 25: They're pansies, man. They are pansies. Speaker 10: Yeah. Yeah. We have a lot I mean, just and the thing is the thing that's so inspiring about it is they they they weren't supposed to be able to rise out of the abyss. They're supposed to stay in the abyss that was created when, you know, all this was done to them. They're in the financial abyss. They're in the emotional abyss. They're in the loneliness abyss. They're in the personal destruction abyss. They're in the having all their everything they trusted and believed in completely destroyed, and they climb out of the they claw their way out of the abyss. Speaker 27: It's strange you say that. Speaker 11: Yeah. Speaker 27: It's it's strange it's strange that you say that they climb out of the abyss. Speaker 10: Yeah. That's that's that that that's what they do, man. These guys got stomped on and, abused and everything else, but they they didn't take it lying down. Speaker 27: Well, I think it's it's pretty obvious unless you're just, like, not, like, logically inclined. I wanna I've talked to, I'm watching the signs here, Speaker 9: Shelley. Well, I'm not vaccinated, and my husband wasn't vaccinated. But like I said before Speaker 27: Hold on. I'm talking. I'm talking. I never would've dreamed. I'm I'm talking. It. They were doing what they were doing in. I'm talking. Speaker 7: What happened is one of the speakers couldn't hear the other speakers. It's happening in the rooms a lot lately. Speaker 27: Yeah. I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to make a point. Is that okay or no? Speaker 10: Yeah. Go right ahead. Speaker 27: Yeah. I want, to bring up Shelly. I wanna ring I want I wanna bring up Shelly because I can feel, a connection with her. I don't know why. I think God's telling me that. I want you guys to bring up Shelly. Can you guys do that? Speaker 10: I don't think it works that way, unfortunately. Speaker 27: Well, we know what we know we know why then. Right? Speaker 10: No. I'm I'm not not really sure why why do you think that is? Speaker 27: Well, she was injured by the vaccine. Why don't you want her to tell her story? Speaker 10: I mean, it'd be great for her to tell her story. I just don't I don't know how to when you say bring her up, there's there's no there's no bring her up function on here that I'm aware of. There's no there's no bring there's no bring you up function on Twitter to The host can do it. Speaker 21: Alright. Speaker 14: Yeah. So, Shelley, if you would like to yeah. I I know Shelley. She can't quite I know Shelley too. I want Shelley to tell her story. Yeah. Sure. Hello. This is Shelley. We invite you. Please, fire away if you see the invitation. Sending you an invite to speak. Calling miss Shelly. Speaker 13: How are you guys tonight? Speaker 14: Doing fabulous. How about yourself? Speaker 13: Actually resting. I haven't been feeling good today. So I was just gonna be quiet tonight and let everyone speak, and I was just enjoying the space and everyone on here. And I appreciate all of you, everything that you're doing and your hard work. And, I pray that we get justice some time and lawyers step up to help us because I know that next month, I'm going on my third year, of being vaccine injured by Pfizer. And it seems like the longer we wait, the you know, are we ever gonna get justice? Are we ever gonna have doctors that will truly look at us and study us and not just give us supplements? Speaker 27: Hey, Shelly. Can I can I take it from here or no? Is it okay? Yeah. I wanna say as a man, because a lot of not a lot of men in here don't wanna tell the truth. There's Jews that try to destroy. Mhmm. There's Jews that Speaker 10: I think that's what you would call a, obstructor. Speaker 14: We do not we do not condone any type of attacks of religion or race or read so well. Let's keep it clean, folks. Speaker 13: I'm scared to talk again. Speaker 10: Oh, no. Go go right ahead. That was a that was a interesting, I don't know what his agenda was, but, anyway, continue. We're we're enjoying what you were saying. Speaker 13: You know, like I said, we're we're going on three years, and it's frustrating. You know? I guess I really expected someone to be studying us and taking our blood and having clinical trials and actually working on us. And we have a lot of people that are out there that say, have you tried detoxing? Have you tried this? I don't mean any disrespect. McCullough special. You know, the bromelain, nannikines, and nannikocoumian. I actually didn't have any issues cardiac wise until I started nannikines, And that's been addressed. So, you know, there's no money state. There's no state and federal money to study us. Long haulers, they get state and federal money. They have their own clinics. They're being looked at. They're studied. It's easy to get tilt tables. It's easy to get in and do all the labs. You know? I'm angry as a vaccine injured that I have I live in Florida and had to fly to Alabama just to get all the testing that I have never got. I'm sorry? United. Anyway, I'm gonna finish. There's I shouldn't have to travel that far away to get every testing that I shoulda had a couple years ago. And, you know, when I look at all my tests, I'm still producing spike. I'm still, you know, I have the mother gene, and it's just when I read my reports, you know, it's right there that, you know, I'm trying to see a cardiologist now. After all this time, you know, it's I'm frustrated. I'm mad. And, usually, I'm more I can speak better. I'm just having a rough day today. But besides the CIDP, the tremors, the tinnitus, the vascular issues, and now it's going into cardio. I'm taking the anticoagulants for the microclotting. I'm frustrated. I'm frustrated because I'm worse than I was a year ago. We're not getting better. We're getting worse, and we need help. It's not just the doctors we need on board. We need attorneys, and I know you guys are doing the job, but, you know, I was pushed out of the hospital, you know, just to get workman's comp. I can't even hardly get an attorney for that. I had to turn in my work for the EEOC. It takes a year just to put a complaint for what is it? They, you know, they didn't follow the my disabilities. I was discrimination. I can get them for discrimination. I would love to go go against that hospital for keeping me quiet and censored and not being able to tell my patients, the other coworkers that I have that I was vaccine injured. You know? And I haven't recorded even saying it. If I said it, that I would be, written up, which I was. I wasn't treated fairly inside of the hospital. I'm not being treated out. I'm not treating fairly outside. You know? I've lost family members because they don't understand. I've lost friends, and I'm raised, and I don't even have an identity anymore. And the holidays are here, and a lot of us aren't in a good place. And I know January 11 will be my third anniversary of going through this, and I'm not better now than I was a year ago, and I'm upset. And when these doctors talk about take this, take that, do they truly listen to us? That's what I wanna know. It's just they're not listening to us what our needs and wants are. And we beg to get attorneys for help. We're just left like we're garbage. I'm not garbage. Our lives matter just like anybody else's matters. And I put up a good fight, and I will continue to keep fighting until I have no breath left. But we're begging for help, and we're pleading for help. And I know tonight I felt it feel I just feel like I'm talking like I'm desperate, but, you know, when you hear people and I realize that I'm coming up on my third year, I'm tired and I'm angry. Anyway, I know you guys know a lot of you know me on here. I love you guys, every single one of you. A lot of you know me as hurricane shell. And sometimes I come off being like a tsunami because I have a mouth of a sailor, and I fight for all of us. And I'll continue to do it just like I promised, But I'm getting tired like everyone else, and I hope all of you hear us. And I thank you for letting me speak. Speaker 14: Yes, ma'am. Shelly, that was, thank you for sharing that, and I'm my heart goes out to you. And I'm really sorry that you're going through this. I I won't be spending Christmas with my family because of all the mess that's happening in my life too and the narrative that's going on out there. And it's it's it's affected so many people, even me. But I'm a huge fan of how you're fighting for your health, and, my I'm all about, being a healthy person and doing your best to persevere. You have my support, and you have CHBMP's support. And, you know, whenever you, in the future, post anything about your condition, I will do my best to let the world know and, and just help you, you know, be a voice for you. So, I hope you have a I hope you have a wonderful evening, Shelley. Thank you for speaking. Next on yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Next on the list here, I have a Conlustro Speaker 21: Research would like to see. Hi. This is Joseph. Speaker 5: Shelley is my is my little sister. You know? She's so beautiful. I have to look after all the vaccine. And, you know, she makes me cry because of every time she goes on the space, and and she's chipping away and chipping away. And we need to support her. We need to support her with love. We need to support her with money. And we need to get that shit out, and we need to get the fact that this is real. This isn't, something that's gonna go away. We are looking at massive, massive people who are vaccinated. I put out tonight on my timeline. Okay? If you if you if you wanna do something and you love women, you love women, you love your mother, you love your sister, you love your daughter. Look at my timeline. We've got Megyn Kelly. We've got, Republican Mace on my timeline. Both facts injured. Retweet might think because I think I'm in in an echo chamber. I'm trying to get everybody to wise up so that people can know that women are being affected by the vaccine injured bit by being vaccine injured. So if you wanna do something tonight, we're on a space tonight. There's probably, I don't know, eight eight hundred whatever people on the space or whatever. Retweet retweet my tweet, which is simple. It's got already going up to, like, 5,000 people. Retweet it if you've got a mother, a sister, daughter who are worried that they might be vaccinated and they've got nowhere to turn to. They're gonna turn to Shelley. They're gonna turn to Lindsay. They're gonna turn to Melissa. They're gonna turn to Anna. They're all being vaxxed injured from many different vaxxies, but two of them will be vaxxed hit by the COVID nineteen vaxx and are there to support women. Okay? The these are probably the most amazing women, intelligent women that you probably know in America. Megyn Kelly and Nancy Mace. Both of them are vaxx injured. Vax injured. Okay? And it's been pushed under the cover. We need to get it out there. I pushed it out tonight trying to get it into the the top, you know, the top five people I know on Twitter. Elon Musk, you know, Jackson Hinkle, just so that they can tweet it. If they tweet if if they tweet that there is vaxx injured, yeah, pharma is over. Pharma is gone. That's what we've gotta do. As a brotherhood, as a sisterhood, we now have to support people like Shelly to make this mainstream. Not in the shadows. Not in not in we we forget about these people. No. We make it mainstream that farmer fucked up. Farmer needs to pay, and farmer will never get away with it. That's what we gotta do to make sure that we stand true with our brothers, with our sisters, and our children, and we stop this mug, which it is. It's complete mug, and it's killing all of us unless unless we stop it. So let's stop it, be clever, and let's end end this nonsense once and for all. Okay? And I will land my plane there. Speaker 14: Well said, sir. Thank you for that. Always a pleasure, hearing from you. I'm trying to see, Speaker 5: Joseph. Speaker 14: Joseph. Yes, sir. Joseph. Always a pleasure, Joseph. Thank you for that. Shelley or excuse me. Not Shelley. Chelsea. Can you hear me, Chelsea? Speaker 22: Call in Chelsea. Speaker 14: Okay. She's still her audio is funky tonight, so I I'm running with the ball here. I'm trying to see if we have anyone else that has requested to speak. Speaker 5: So so so can I ask one other question, which is a side effect? I would like to know I would like to know where do you think in America we are in bringing these people to justice? Does anyone know? We've got Brooks case. We've got now got the Texan AG case. Is there any other cases out there that we need to be following? And how do and how do we and and and the most important in the short term, we've got a lot of wonderful people like, you know, Shelley, Lindsay, who who need support. How do we come together as a as a group to elevate these people so they become they become the spokespeople of of America so that they can go and actually champion on behalf of the vaccine injured, if I may. Speaker 14: Well, you know, I I think what okay. I this is how I think it's gonna play out. And I think we're we're gonna go with the all of this. Military tribunals need to be done on the guy who's the star of the show because they need every every every time something big happens, they need it. They need someone to blame. So I believe that, Anthony Fauci and, you know, group the Gates his Bill Gates' foundation, the GAVI group, all of these things have to be looked into, but they have to be done in, like, a Helsinki kind of way. And, I do believe that we're I don't know how far away we are from that, but the cases that, you know, Shelley's going through, my case, especially with the vax injured with the what's his name? Ken Paxton, the attorney general, that's a nice first step, and that's good, strong, solid data. I do believe that if, like like everyone's saying tonight, speak up, talk about it as much as you can. And, you know, there are individuals who unfortunately magnificent, some of our magnificent friends here tonight, like miss Shelly, who has a very powerful story. We need to get those stories out, and we need to say, look at what it did to this person. Look at she was perfectly fine. She was healthy. She, you know, peak shape of her life. Now she's fighting for her life. What the hell is going on here? So, you know, a combination of that with military style tribunals that have to start in order to, I think, take this to the next level. I hope that answered your question. I'm gonna go to JR next. Mister JR. Speaker 4: Well, Andy Luke took most of my, most of my speech. I wanted to say I appreciate this space. It has been incredibly informative, and I'm one of those big strong guys. But at one point, Cheryl had me just about to point to tears. Also, the liberty man, man, you went all over the freaking map. But everything is actually connected. The, you were trying to connect the dots, and I think you did a pretty good job of it. You ought to talk to or you ought to DM Indie Luke and, come on our little area, our little Discord server, and, talk to us sometime or be a be a guest there. But, anyway, basically, everything I wanted to say other than I really appreciate this space. It has been awesome. Say, I I knew a lot, but I learned a lot just by listening to the testimonials. And, wow. That's all I can say is wow. So that's that's all I had to say. Thank you. Speaker 14: Yes. Yes, sir. Thank you, JR, for that. I, thank you for the kind words. We we really try our best to, get the best, minds and, victims and people that are like minded and, you know, obviously raise awareness, get new people to come and tell stories. So, thank you for that, sir. Next is Gary. If Gary can hear me go ahead, Gary. Fire away. Yeah. The testimonials Speaker 28: are important, but it's also, you know, people need to hear it because I don't think a lot of people even realize what all the different symptoms are of this disease or this or this, vaccine injuries. It's it's it's important that, we get the word out, that you could, you know, post repost the links and that sort of stuff, that we can actually, you know, put on a, you know, on a website somewhere. So it's like a link page, basically, so that people know where to look for, you know, just to to just to see here the testimonials if it's just that much here and actually to get to to you guys, you know, you know, basically, to your website as well. Speaker 14: Yeah. You know, we, our websites are well, my website's Dessa Taylor, but the website everyone, if you're new here, if you wanna go to chbmp.org and document your story there. And, we have several, groups almost every night. We have, we have therapy groups. We have, Monday night support groups, and it's really, really cool. This is an amazing organization. But, next on the list is Indie Luke. Fire away, Indie Luke. Speaker 25: Hey. So I just, you know, wanted to reach out to anyone in here. Like, if you wanna reach out to me and get your story out just, like, on our show or whatnot or connect with a group, we're a bunch of info warriors, and, we just love, you know, love this country and love what's in it. We love the people, and we wanna just get people's voices heard. And, I mean, we're not terribly, like, big or influential, but we know I I know a lot of really big big names in, like, the freedom movement and such, and I think I consider my personal, spot in all of this as a a messenger. I can I'd listen to everything, and I'm everywhere all the time and try to see everything from every different angle and try to get people the right information. And if we know there's a bunch of that out there and we can get the right information to the right people, man, we can we can get this going. And it takes that, and it takes courage, man. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. And never stop. Speaker 14: Yes, sir. I agree with that. And, you know, I would love to, we we would love to, work with you a little bit more and, connect with you, chpmp, .org. And, you can also DM me if you want. I would love to be on your podcast and tell a play, play by play of what happened to me and my, situation and, maybe bring some other guests. But, it sounds like you're really doing some amazing stuff, and, I support it. And, by the way, I've been an Alex Jones fan since 02/2008. He's my favorite media person ever, and, yeah, I think he's I think he should have been an actor. He's so freaking hilarious. I love him. But, yeah, let's let's connect Speaker 25: for sure. Awesome. Thank you, bro. Speaker 14: Yes, sir. Cool. Speaker 4: One more comment. The, I am I'm one of the what do they call them? Pure bloods? I I, I said, look. If everybody in the world, including the media, is telling me to take this shot, the there's something wrong here. I'm not gonna do it. But, yeah, my mom and my stepdad are not, of like mind. I try. I've done my best. But, yeah, they both have COVID right now. And both of them, I was like, mom, didn't you take the vaccine? She said, I've had five shots, But it'll make it not so bad. It'll it'll make it, easier. You know? It it but you get the idea. That's the mindset that, a lot of times we're dealing with. Anyway, I just wanted to throw that in there. The, yeah, I can't and she's I said, do you need anything? Well, you can't come over here because I got COVID. And my smart ass response, which should not have been, because this is my mom, but I said, no, mom. I'll be fine. I'm not vaxxed. Anyway, that that that that was my, comment that I wanted to throw in there. Speaker 14: I really appreciate that, JR. Thank you very much for that. It's always good to get that off your chest. So, I can I can relate with, some of that horror myself? I have friends that will not speak to me because I never took the vaccine. It makes me roll my eyes, and it's upsetting. Okay. So next is Conlustral Speaker 5: Fireway. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hi. Hi, Alf. No. I just wanted to come back quickly. I had a, wonderful DM from a group of people that wanna work with the vaccine injured in America. And they have seen eighty percent people made better, both long COVID and, vaccine injured. So, they're gonna work with us and will work with me, and we're going to, put some ideas forward to make people better. So, hopefully, we can help that way. So that was something that came out tonight, and I'm positive I'm positive in in in some of the ideas that they're coming out with. And some of them is what Peter McCulloch has been saying, but they've been using it for over two years, And they've seen magical results in terms of rep in in terms of, improving long COVID and also motor motory sensory, dysfunction, where people have had issues around brain fog, memory loss, etcetera, etcetera. So so, hopefully, the you know, that we we can we can unravel some of these coins, and they want to learn how we've got you know, we're doing our things and and vice versa. So I I hope this could be a way a step forward, you know, that we get people at least 60 to 80% better. So, god bless us all. Yeah. Speaker 14: God bless you, sir. And I I I I think that we're gonna make progress. I'm I'm optimistic. I think there's a lot of people that want answers, and there's a lot of really smart people that like McCullough and yourself, working diligently to, find answers, find solutions. You know, that's how we're gonna get a good outcome is persevere and, put in something called effort. I like it. Okay. Last, wrap it up. Kiwi, you have the floor. Speaker 16: Hi from New Zealand. So first of all, I just wanna say, I'm so proud of you guys all coming together and doing this. It is going to take people like you, to help get us over this hurdle that we are, confronting right now. I've already lost people I know through this, and I know a lot of people that are now getting sick, which is is such a sad shame because if they stop trusting in government and and trust in policies, then we wouldn't be in this predicament. But they trust the government, and, the government has led them off the cliff like a Pied Piper. I just want you to, if you can, follow CounterSpin Media. Liz Gunn on YouTube on Twitter here as well. She's the one under, well, she's in hiding right now right now over here for bringing out the whistleblower. But, definitely get in with CounterSpin Media on here. And on Telegram, they're dropping a lot. He works alongside, Alex Jones as well. So we're on band video. It's just about the only places place us Kiwis can just about hover. But I just wanted to bring that to you because we're in this fight together, and we've gotta do this together. And I ain't got the capability of, but I'm pretty sure some of you guys in here, we need to create a a coalition amongst our, nations of people, because we're in this this is a multi fronted battle we're in, and we need all our leaders to come together. So I'm gonna leave that there. But, God bless you, Woe, and thank you for all you guys do. Speaker 5: Kiwi. Kiwi. Can you follow me? Can you follow Shelly? Can you follow all the people at the top? Because we're all we're all on the same page. That's the most important thing. The other thing I'd like to ask you, my darling, is very simple. If you can get to Barry, Barry Young I've been trying to get Steve Kirch, and I don't because I think I'm shadowbanned. Okay? Massively shadowbanned. Very simple situation is he has got a get out of jail, card. Okay? I'll tell you why. Arden put into law in 2020, strangely enough, and she fucked up on it because she put into law a New Zealand whistleblower law. Okay? So he's got a get out of jail free card. He's got nothing. Okay? So that's the that's the one you that's what I want you to tell him. Speaker 16: Re reach out to CounterSpin Media. Speaker 5: Okay? If you can. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No, darling. I want you to do it in Kiwiland. Yeah? I want you to I want you to seriously, seriously, you're you're you're an activist, and I'm I'm not in in New Zealand. Right? You need to be telling people close to Barry, very simple, play the play the country against the country because he he is a whistleblower. They've invent just think of it. Think about it. Just listen to me for a sec. They've invented a whistleblower law in 2020 through Arden. Alright? That gave him protection even he would not be able to be sacked by his own employer. He passed the data to the parliament. They didn't react upon it. He felt that it was so important they had to put it into the into the international domain because he was realizing that new, the part the government was killing Kiwis. Right? So he is the ultimate whistleblower. So he now all he needs to do is go to the police and say, I'm the ultimate whistleblower. I'm now in in enacting Kiwi law, which is owned by the state as a defense. And you're gonna prosecute me as the Kiwi law, but you can't beat me because I'm a whistleblower. And that's law. And he can get walk out tomorrow. And he can then sue sue them for locking him up. And that's what he needs to do. So get get that out in the public domain through WhatsApp, whatever. Right? Look at the look at New Zealand whistleblower law. If you don't, DM me. Yeah. Follow me, DM me, and I'll send it to you. Just send it to me now, and, I'll get it over to, Calvin. I can't I can't even Yeah. I can't even get it to Liz Gunn or whatever. Right? I'll be trying to I'll give it to Liz because Liz Liz and I are, connected on Facebook. Well, well, do do DM me now, and I'll reply to you, and I'll give you the link with the law, with everything, and you sort it out and get the man playing the game with with the and it's a beautiful because it'll be the New York, Speaker 16: New Zealand law against New Zealand law. You need to add me you need to add me for me to DM you because there's no envelope at the top of your thing. I'm already following you. So definitely send it to me. I will get it to Calvin, and I will drop it in Liz's box as well. She is in hiding right now. I will also drop it to a few other people over here that do podcasting and that are activists. I'm getting ready to actually file in Speaker 5: I've just sent you a test. I've just sent you a test. Did you get it? Thank you. Speaker 16: I'll check-in a sec. I'm getting ready to actually, go speak to, oh, a legal team anyway, to get, a lot of people removed out of our parliament on breach of contract. Okay? Because when we go into our elections, they are making a contract with the people on the policies that we vote for them on. And we're only two weeks into our new government, and they're already in breach of these, on these agreements for our our, votes. So I'm starting to push forward to doing this. And this is something we've all look. It's a verbal contract, but it's still a contract to the people of the nation. Doesn't matter what nation it is. Speaker 5: You can do that on the web. Can I ask a lovely question? Alright? Yes. And you and you tell me if if you think it's it's bullshit or not. Right? This is very simple. There's a there's a conspiracy theory that was done in 2017 called deagel, deagel.com. Okay? Yeah. They said that New Zealand population would disappear by '20 this is unbelievable. Right? By 2025, would go down by 24%. Speaker 16: Okay? Well, well, I can turn around and tell you now that some of these, numbers that are out through the, the jab that, 20%, 2023, twenty four percent, I think it might have even been, is the number coming in around of excess deaths after these certain jabs and certain batches. So if they keep rolling these things out in the in bad batches, we're going to see that spike more and more. So I'm watching my little sister's partner deteriorate in front of her light in front of her eyes. He's in his mid thirties. He developed a very rare brain tumor, and it's all because he got jabbed. So I'm watching people deteriorate in this country. So, yes, this isn't an ethic thing either. It's not an, ethic, ethnic, thing either. They're trying people try to use race based BS for it's not. It is going into you know? You could be a Maori or a a whatever ethnicity, and I could be a European, and I could be standing right behind you in line, but that batch number is gonna go to you and me. So it doesn't matter. Ethnicity has, I don't think, any count on this. And I've been watching Speaker 5: So do you think the number 24%, 25% of the Speaker 16: I think they're going to try and reach it absolutely. And the other and it's not just going to be through jabs. Okay? So one of the things that I've been working out in the last four years especially since the mass shooting over here, first of all, to disarm us. Absolutely. But there's a couple of other things because I've gone through, the volcano eruptions here. I've gone through major quakes down South Island, twelve years ago. I'm watching all of this. They're also taking us, tsunami sirens down, and they're going to force the the the sun to wipe sun to wipe out our communications, we're not gonna get these notifications at all. I've also seen last summer, start of this year, okay, when we had the big the the the big weather pattern come over us, Auckland was getting multitude of notifications. But down here in the Coromandel through the Bay Of Plenty and down into Hawke's Bay, we some of us got them, some of us didn't. And Hawke's Bay was where it got hit the hardest. So, again, they can choose who's going to get these notifications, but if you've got bad weather that's wiping everything out, it's irrelevant. None of it's gonna work for you if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time. When they push these smart cities and all of these cities and us onto all of these smart devices and EV cars that you can't afford, when you're all jammed into cities and you don't own a car and a natural event happens, you're going to see chaos beyond any chaos that you could just imagine because you're not going to be able to get out of these cities. And these are going to become insane asylums. So this is another way they're going to try and eradicate some people. Just put a bit on the table. Cities will become insane asylums. Speaker 5: Well, I think by that time, I will become a freedom fighter. So I don't give a shit anymore if that happens. As you probably understand, I'm trying to help all the vaccine injured. And if people start fucking around with my life or any other people's lives, so I'm gonna go and fucking put a bullet in their head. Seriously, I don't care who the fucking person is. Seriously, because at the end of the day, you know, if they if they mess around with our lives or, you know, our way of a way of doing things, they're they're not human. Right? So, you know, I'm sorry I'm sorry to upset a few people from what I said, but, you know, that's the way I feel. You know, people aren't gonna tell me how I'm gonna run my life. And and no shit on on any level. You know? No one's gonna do that. You know? Speaker 25: Everyone feels that, but we can't get to that point unless we are we have absolutely no other option. Like, there is you can't we they're waiting for us to go out and just start it's everyone feels that, brother. Every single one of us feels that. I know Speaker 9: And then can you not straight up me to this? Speaker 16: Okay. First of all, we're going to have a lot of people radicalized through emotions. We're going to have to reign these people in off that cliff face. Okay? Because we need people to unite. We can't I know how we feel, and I know how I feel. But I'm saying is we have to be the calm in the storm that is brewing. If we can't be So you're in New Speaker 5: Zealand. Yes. And you're in New Zealand. Yes. And you've been the calm, collective person through this. We are going to lose the battle Speaker 16: before the war has even started. Speaker 5: So do you think that everybody in New Zealand should have a weapon like in America? And I I so I'm now thinking I'm I'm now thinking because I'm in I'm in Italy, and I can hold a weapon. Yeah. Did you see a weapon get taken in our parliament the other day? Absa so freaking locally Speaker 16: by politicians? We're ordering freaking weapons in our own freaking parliament office. So trust me, I believe we all should be carrying sidearms. Speaker 25: Self defense is a whole another ballgame. That is absolutely okay. Speaker 5: No. No. But it's gonna go that way because I don't think I don't think people are worried about friends, neighbors, community. I think they're worried about their own fucking government. That's what the that's what people are worried about. The government mass immigration. No. It's not bad. It's mass immigration. That that's just a game by the government to upset the people. Speaker 16: They've used an apology to turn people on people including family, but Hippy's had her hand up for a while. Can we hear from Hippy because she's an amazing woman? Speaker 14: Yes. I but before I go to Hippie, I just wanna let everyone know this is one of the best conversations I've ever heard in my life, and I love Speaker 5: all of you. So thank you for I I just do the truth, my friend, as you know. Speaker 14: No. I love it. I mean, it's awesome. I wish more people were like this. I love you guys. Thank you so much for coming. I'm gonna go to We're out there. Miss hippie hippie dippie. And then after that, I'm gonna wrap it up because it's getting late, and we have some commitments tomorrow. So but go hey. Go go ahead, Speaker 18: Hippie. Hey. Thanks so much, and and thanks for the space. It has been amazing, and, I'm so glad that we have a really awesome group of people here. Kiara Wahimi. It's good to see you, Kiwi. And, and, Speaker 5: yeah, you you know, you just call on I love you, Hippie. I love you, Hippie. Where's my love? Speaker 18: You too, Joseph. Kiara. Anyway, I just wanted to thank you guys for it's just a really great evening, and, I think we've just really managed to, pull even more of us together, and that's a great thing. It's always a great thing. So, yeah, everybody, like, have a great night. Look forward to having another space like this, real soon. And I think we we just shared, so much information. And, yeah. Anyway, thanks you guys. Good night. Speaker 14: Yeah. Thank you. This is fabulous. And I and I because I'm a nice guy, I'm gonna let I'm gonna let mister Jeremiah Speaker 29: speak, and then I'm gonna wrap it up. He has his hand up. So Thank you. That is very kind of you to let me speak. I really appreciate it. Yes, sir. I'm a host of a medical freedom dedicated radio show called The Baseline that airs every Friday on the progressive radio network. I just followed a bunch of people. Anyone here who follows me, I'll follow you back. I'm I'm totally dedicated to the struggle. I just had Brooke Jackson as my guest this past Friday. And, it's kind of incredible because the one question I didn't get to ask her was about the harassment that she's experienced, which I heard her discuss in previous interviews. And she mentioned that her computers have just gone down on her, all of her various, you know, things requiring passwords, have had passwords changed, and, you know, her her digital communications have been interfered with. And, actually, ironically, she was talking to, Rainer Fulmick, and in the middle of there, like, the video is about fifty minutes. And, like, ten minutes of the video are missing because she was disconnected. And strangely, again, I don't wanna be super paranoid or anything, but my show is archived every week. And, for the first time ever, the computer just froze, And, that show was not recorded unlike all my previous shows. So, you know, if that has something to do with talking about, I don't know. It seems quite possible, though. And, and for you details of that case, Brooke Jackson Pfizer, I realized this is monumental. I mean, the number of people who are educated people, they watch news every day, and they've never heard of Brooke Brooke Jackson, which just speaks to the total information whitewash. But the details of the case, that is the case where Pfizer said, yes. We agree to everything that the plaintiff is saying. But the thing is, we were following the instructions of the Department of Defense. They said that in court. That was their defense. So people just don't know what's going on. Andrew Jackson called her an AI vaxxer. I mean, oh, she's had, you know, all of the vaccines. She took flu shots. She was a pharma, you know, professional for twenty years who said the list of irregularities at this trial site were too many to list. I mean, unbelievable, you know, irregularities. And then I'll also say my previous guest before that, the vaccine injured Danielle Baker, was courageous enough to come on coerced first on Twitter. And, Nooni, who's in the space here, you know, she's a champion of vaccine injuries. She's the strongest voice in all of this. And that episode of my show, really prove Speaker 5: Did we lose him or am I having any issues? No. We lost your number. I believe we lost I believe we lost you, Jeremiah. I'm so sorry. I I I was gonna tell you because I know Jeremiah is a wonderful guy. And, you know you know, he's he's talking the truth. We we need we need to actually focus on the on the last resort. The last resort is to vaccinate. Okay? So we need we need to we need to focus on these people. You know? This isn't this isn't about we we this isn't about, how to how to get revenge. Right? I wanna get revenge. I wanna get revenge because I've seen it happen to a lot of people. I've seen, you know, in my village, you know, people said to me, you're talking pollock. I've seen from my village is only 1,200 people here in Italy. Right? I'm now to it down to 800. How the fucking 400 people die when we got one of the best health cares in the world? You work that one out. Thirty percent death rate. Exactly. So work that one out. Right? And and I and I'm a doctor. Right? And I will save these people if necessary. This is crap. Absolutely crap. So it is the vaccine that's it's it's got it thirty to forty percent per year decimation. Okay? And that's what we need to solve. And I can solve it. I've got the people tonight who are gonna get me to eighty percent. And if we can prove this and we've got a protocol to get a eighty percent and people shouldn't be knocking sorry, Shell. I love you the bits. Do not ever, you know, please do not knock other people who are trying to just do do something even if it's one or five or 15% because they're on your side. We've got so many enemies in our lives, okay, that against the vaccine injured. They don't care. You understand? They would rather not even help the vaccine injured. Speaker 13: So people will doctors have had years to get us better, and all they give us is supplements. We have every right to actually consider to be pissed off. Speaker 5: Darling, darling, you know me. You know my truth is with you. Right? I'm gonna say to you is I wanna fund you, give you NAD every week until you're better. Let's do this. Who can who can help me on this space to give it Shelley NAD per week? Who's with me? That's what I want. Right? So who can help me? Because I will make her better. Right? She had one, and she was she was flying. Now I wanted to do two, three, 4, five, six, seven, eight, and she will be better. Right? That's what the issue is. Right? I can do this because this is a billionaire's situation that we all need to have. We all need to have whether you're vaccinated or not. And I can educate you about NAD because I'm writing a book on it. Right? And it and then and I can prove the fact that it will actually help everybody get better and make people who are average people more intelligent. So that's the whole point of it. That's the whole point of what I'm doing. Okay? So but that's the point that I'm trying to say is we need to focus on the vaccine injured. Nothing more, nothing less, and isn't just one person, two people. We're talking about four to five million people who are currently vaccine injured, who are just women, not men. Women. Four to five million women. Mothers, sisters, daughters. Men on this space, let's chip in. Okay? Let's chip in and save these women. Are you with me? Speaker 14: I'm with you. Yes. I am absolutely with you. I think a lot of us are. And, well said, well said, sir. Before I wrap it up, I wanna give mister Jeremiah one last chance to speak. I know he had some technical difficulties. Speaker 21: Oh, yeah. Can you hear me? Speaker 14: Yes, sir. Before before before you go, fire away there, I wanna just ask you if you could reach out to chbmp.org or DM me or DM the c h DM the, CHBMP, account, and we would love to be on your show working con work in conjunction with you in any capacity we can. So Speaker 29: Absolutely. Yeah. That's what I'm all that's why I'm here. That's why I'm in the space. Speaker 14: Wonderful. Wonderful, sir. Is there anything else you'd like to Speaker 29: Yeah. I was just gonna I would just wanted to say quickly, two things just to finish what I was saying about the vaccine injured. When people get to speak up and tell their stories firsthand, that's when the contradictions become real because everyone's kind of trying to hide behind little ideological cloaks and different things. You know, I can show you a doctor and say, oh, well, another doctor says this and that. No. This person was injured. And when you start denying that, then you have to next step is you have to walk straight to a mirror and say, hey. Look. I'm an asshole at this point because I'm a person who is trying to deny what people are saying is their firsthand experience. So it's just the most powerful thing. The more those voices can be heard, the more we can kind of get right to the point and start changing things. And then I just wanna say in general, we need to start applying more social media strategies. You know, one thing I've been saying is where is the tweet that says, Joe Biden, you are guilty of crimes against humanity for mandating dangerous experimental drugs on members of the government, the military, and for encouraging private businesses to do so. Like, where is the tweet with a million people saying you are on trial now because you're guilty of crimes against humanity? You know, like, we're all shadow banned. I'm shadow banned. You know? I'm shadow banned for one, so I know many of us here are shadow banned and where where voices are being limited through the, you know, the the algorithms or what have you. We need to manually go and uplift each other. Like, hippie dippy, I appreciate you so much for, like, stopping by my space on my page and just going like, like, like. Because literally, I'll share a a tweet and, you know, someone like doctor Meryl Nass, who's been a guest on my show, she'll reshare the tweet. She has 25,000 followers. How come I'm the only one who likes it? Like, seriously, you're gonna tell me I'm not shadow banned. So then we have to just go brick by brick, like, walk across the country. Like, you're not supposed to be able to do that. You have to take a plane. But, no, we're just gonna go and walk across the country now and do it manually if you wanna shut us down. So that's my comment for tonight. Solidarity with everyone. Like I said, follow me. I'll follow you back. I follow the Jim, John and I, we're we're we're bro we're brothers, so we're we're good. We're always good, my brother. Speaker 5: Alright? So so we're good. Right? So we're in good good good shit. So, keep keep give DM me. DM me, and I'll publicize it. I'll put I'll put it out. Okay? So I'm I I don't have any shadow band. I'll put it on. Alright? You you you know, God bless you, my brother. Yeah? Speaker 14: That was a this was a fabulous You too. Solidarity. Yeah. Bless you both, and bless everyone for coming this evening. And please join us every Saturday at 7PM Central Standard Time in The United States. Chbmp.org is the organization. If you wanna tell your story, please go there, and we'll document it for you. Thank you again for coming this evening. You all have a very wonderful, rest of your night, and I will see you soon. Take care.